Hey KVR,
Just wondering if 1212m users could maybe explain how they use the 1212m. I am interested at possibilities this card has for future upgrade.
at the moment my set-up is -
a single channel pre-amp going into the emu via sp/dif.
This only allows me to record one track at a time which has been fine but restrictive. recently i;ve wanted to be able to record on separate tracks vocals and guitar(as i find i cannot sing for even food without a guitar in my hands, not that i can sing period.!!! ). i realise i can ultilise a analog input as a guide track for the guitar for the purpose of playing and singing at the same time and then to re-record it later through the sp/dif channel for a cleaner sound.
every now and again...i will take a look at the patchbay and try to figure it out - but i cant.I know its very flexible so a better way would be dissecting real world set-ups for ideas.
for example - i have no idea what the Aux channel is or why you have the option to select aux send pre-fader or not and i'm aware of a trick of using 2 sends on a emu input but do not quite understand the benefits.
Thanks and sorry for being so long winded. huff huff
Gef.
How do you use your EMU 1212M soundcard - scenerios.
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- KVRist
- 95 posts since 31 Jan, 2006 from london
That's all I wanted to do as a kid. Play a guitar properly and jump around. But too many people got in the way. - Syd Barrett
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
I'm afraid I don't use terribly complex setups with the Patchbay, which I find confusing, but I can tell you the Aux sends are there so you can send sounds to the FX Returns on the far right. Like, I often have a reverb and a delay inserted on 1 + 2, and I send my guitar input channel to it, with a chorus inserted post-input, for a nice jamming sound (can't track with it). However, you can do more interesting things like send it to outboard gear or some fancy routing thing I haven't thought of yet, but I haven't had a need for it yet.anti--hero wrote:Hey KVR,
Just wondering if 1212m users could maybe explain how they use the 1212m. I am interested at possibilities this card has for future upgrade.
at the moment my set-up is -
a single channel pre-amp going into the emu via sp/dif.
This only allows me to record one track at a time which has been fine but restrictive. recently i;ve wanted to be able to record on separate tracks vocals and guitar(as i find i cannot sing for even food without a guitar in my hands, not that i can sing period.!!! ). i realise i can ultilise a analog input as a guide track for the guitar for the purpose of playing and singing at the same time and then to re-record it later through the sp/dif channel for a cleaner sound.
every now and again...i will take a look at the patchbay and try to figure it out - but i cant.I know its very flexible so a better way would be dissecting real world set-ups for ideas.
for example - i have no idea what the Aux channel is or why you have the option to select aux send pre-fader or not and i'm aware of a trick of using 2 sends on a emu input but do not quite understand the benefits.
Thanks and sorry for being so long winded. huff huff
Gef.
Not sure if that's useful...
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- KVRist
- 374 posts since 12 Nov, 2005
here's a couple links with some useful information
http://www.tweakheadz.com/review_of_the_emu_1820m.html
http://www.productionforums.com/index.php?f=52
http://www.tweakheadz.com/review_of_the_emu_1820m.html
http://www.productionforums.com/index.php?f=52
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- KVRist
- 374 posts since 12 Nov, 2005
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- KVRAF
- 9528 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
in addition to KVR, go to
http://www.productionforums.com/index.php?f=4
which is a 1212 specific forum, amongst the many other e-mu forums
there...keyboards, patchmix, sundry pci and usb interfaces, drivers etc which,
since they all use subsets of the general e-mu software synths
and bundles, can hold valuable tips and solutions, so the struggles of
an 0404, 1820, 1616, 0202, pci version, usb version, proteusX, proteusVX, emulatorX users etc, may directly save your bacon, or open up a creative solution...
as for multi-tracking, your bundle should have sonar, cubase, and ableton versions that can use the 1212 as high quality i/o, using your learning-curve hours on some proteusx/LE patch editing,
and setting up multitracking in one of the bundled apps, keeping focused on 2 or three songs at a time, based on a core sound and lead insrument that you just can't leave alone...and use the dreamstation synth (part of your sonarLE bundle) for extra sounds if editing the 1000 in your proteus leave you any spare time...(it has a nice 'random' button, if you have 29-hour-days'
' )
the other and darker option, is to become assimilated here '8)'...
http://www.productionforums.com/index.php?f=4
which is a 1212 specific forum, amongst the many other e-mu forums
there...keyboards, patchmix, sundry pci and usb interfaces, drivers etc which,
since they all use subsets of the general e-mu software synths
and bundles, can hold valuable tips and solutions, so the struggles of
an 0404, 1820, 1616, 0202, pci version, usb version, proteusX, proteusVX, emulatorX users etc, may directly save your bacon, or open up a creative solution...
as for multi-tracking, your bundle should have sonar, cubase, and ableton versions that can use the 1212 as high quality i/o, using your learning-curve hours on some proteusx/LE patch editing,
and setting up multitracking in one of the bundled apps, keeping focused on 2 or three songs at a time, based on a core sound and lead insrument that you just can't leave alone...and use the dreamstation synth (part of your sonarLE bundle) for extra sounds if editing the 1000 in your proteus leave you any spare time...(it has a nice 'random' button, if you have 29-hour-days'
' )the other and darker option, is to become assimilated here '8)'...
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 95 posts since 31 Jan, 2006 from london
Thanks guys , i think the sound on sound one will be the holy grail and the rest of my evening.
Hehe , turns out i do know what aux is then..i always turn the aux 2 on full. Is it just me , or does that stereo reverb sound great.I havent been able to replicate it with any vsts.
bduffy, i dont know if u noticed my other post before this...perhaps you can help...you see how everything is panned hard left and right , to record a true mono track in cubase, aside from adding a mono track...would u have to pan the channel selected back to the middle in the patch bay ? if u dont..it still comes out of both speakers altho its panned hard left...maybe its some kind of cubase compensated conversion.
Thank you
Gef
Hehe , turns out i do know what aux is then..i always turn the aux 2 on full. Is it just me , or does that stereo reverb sound great.I havent been able to replicate it with any vsts.
bduffy, i dont know if u noticed my other post before this...perhaps you can help...you see how everything is panned hard left and right , to record a true mono track in cubase, aside from adding a mono track...would u have to pan the channel selected back to the middle in the patch bay ? if u dont..it still comes out of both speakers altho its panned hard left...maybe its some kind of cubase compensated conversion.
Thank you
Gef
That's all I wanted to do as a kid. Play a guitar properly and jump around. But too many people got in the way. - Syd Barrett
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- KVRist
- 374 posts since 12 Nov, 2005
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
I would think you would want your input source panned center. I only use mono input right now, but I know Cubase will want you to choose a side on the mono track.anti--hero wrote:Thanks guys , i think the sound on sound one will be the holy grail and the rest of my evening.
Hehe , turns out i do know what aux is then..i always turn the aux 2 on full. Is it just me , or does that stereo reverb sound great.I havent been able to replicate it with any vsts.
bduffy, i dont know if u noticed my other post before this...perhaps you can help...you see how everything is panned hard left and right , to record a true mono track in cubase, aside from adding a mono track...would u have to pan the channel selected back to the middle in the patch bay ? if u dont..it still comes out of both speakers altho its panned hard left...maybe its some kind of cubase compensated conversion.
Oh! Maybe try this in Cubase: open VST Connections, go to "inputs", right-click and select "add bus", "mono", and select one of your inputs there. Or maybe that's the same difference?
I'd have to mess around with this to see how it works; stereo/mono recording can be tricky with ASIO, which always operates in stereo, and the Patchmix throws in a whole new layer of complexity to it. Check out the emu production forums, I'm sure this has been asked there.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 95 posts since 31 Jan, 2006 from london
Thanks for your help guys 
...between all the suggestions i;ve figured out the beast now.
...between all the suggestions i;ve figured out the beast now.That's all I wanted to do as a kid. Play a guitar properly and jump around. But too many people got in the way. - Syd Barrett
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Now you can tell me how to use it!anti--hero wrote:Thanks for your help guys
So what did you do to get mono recordings, out of curiousity?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 95 posts since 31 Jan, 2006 from london
hi Bduffy,
I'm using sp/dif - this enters the Emu as a fixed stereo signal - In cubase i select add mono track - i select left channel - then in the Emu patchbay itself - i pan back the hard left back into the middle.
i've always been able to do mono recordings - my problem was if i had to pan the hard left channel back into the middle for true mono cause if you DONT it still comes out of both speakers (but is hard panned left in patch bay)
to be honest - i havent read anything to confirm the way i do it is right but eventually i just went with the old adage and used my ears. (it just sounds better panned back in the middle - more focused)
check out the sound on sound article - its great on explaining the patchbay. there is actually so much u can do with it...you can just about route anything to anything and if i known what i do now i wouldant of got rid of my rack units. I miss my compressor....
I'm using sp/dif - this enters the Emu as a fixed stereo signal - In cubase i select add mono track - i select left channel - then in the Emu patchbay itself - i pan back the hard left back into the middle.
i've always been able to do mono recordings - my problem was if i had to pan the hard left channel back into the middle for true mono cause if you DONT it still comes out of both speakers (but is hard panned left in patch bay)
to be honest - i havent read anything to confirm the way i do it is right but eventually i just went with the old adage and used my ears. (it just sounds better panned back in the middle - more focused)
check out the sound on sound article - its great on explaining the patchbay. there is actually so much u can do with it...you can just about route anything to anything and if i known what i do now i wouldant of got rid of my rack units. I miss my compressor....
That's all I wanted to do as a kid. Play a guitar properly and jump around. But too many people got in the way. - Syd Barrett
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Yep, I got that article bookmarked. Luckily, I don't need to do anything complicated yet, so I can sidestep the complexity. Thanks for explaining your setup, I was curious how it worked with SPDIF.anti--hero wrote:hi Bduffy,
I'm using sp/dif - this enters the Emu as a fixed stereo signal - In cubase i select add mono track - i select left channel - then in the Emu patchbay itself - i pan back the hard left back into the middle.
i've always been able to do mono recordings - my problem was if i had to pan the hard left channel back into the middle for true mono cause if you DONT it still comes out of both speakers (but is hard panned left in patch bay)
to be honest - i havent read anything to confirm the way i do it is right but eventually i just went with the old adage and used my ears. (it just sounds better panned back in the middle - more focused)
check out the sound on sound article - its great on explaining the patchbay. there is actually so much u can do with it...you can just about route anything to anything and if i known what i do now i wouldant of got rid of my rack units. I miss my compressor....