Ubuntu Studio released

[borntik]

I'll stick to Windows XP you sad lot.....haha

f**king great isn't it - this Linux lark.......it doesn't even work

[glokraw]

x server seems to be broken; i can't start up. anyone? help....

Do yourself a >huge< favor, and install knoppix 5.1 dvd, which comes devoid of most audio apps, and then just set up debian/ubuntu/mepis yada yada repositories, and add only the apps you will actually use, with synaptic, apt-get, or smart, and delete all the office/games/miscstuffs you -never will-use while you are at it. Free=clutter=crashes, so less is more in linux, just get rid of all you don't use...And if you insist on ATI video cards in linux,
go out to your car, and yank off some sparkplug wires, the effect will be the same ':lol:'
I also find it much better to run as normal user rather than futzing endleesly with sudo, until something crashes in the dark at a crucial time...annd it surely will...

Then you can also use alien to make .deb files of the great jacklab/wineasio rpms, and if you search well, you can still find.debs of fst, and dssi-vsthost...I myself have a stack of hard-disks with a sidepanel missing on the computer case, so I just plug in the OS I want...suse, fedora, knoppix, win98...

and knoppix has cheatcodes to defeat stubborn X/framebuffer/video/bootfailure related things, Hope you all find success!
and happy mothers day to yo mama!

[WoJ]

even if you dont install ubuntu/knoppix/another distro its always handy to have a live knoppix or morphix CD handy! i've managed to save my windows partition from virus's and having to do a reinstall many times because i either had another OS installed or because i had a live CD to hand

WoJ

[glokraw]

I'll stick to Windows XP you sad lot.....haha

f**king great isn't it - this Linux lark.......it doesn't even work

Well. it does take about 30-40 hours of education, but I have a row of desktops, each one just a nudge of the mousewheel away, highlife running Synth1 and virtual keyboard in #1,
qjackctl patchbay and envy24 mixer in #2, Ardour in #3, creox and ecamegapedal fx and virtual keyboard in #4, hexter DX7 and virtual keyboard with separate patches left and right (patched to #3) in #5,, Wusikstation and virtul keyboard in #6, paax3 and a nice soundfont in #7, and if I could take seven screenshots at once, I would, but that is why they made scroollmice, and why windoze will always suck rat fur, but since the above setup has over 3000 nice presets to whore about with, I won't bore you with the details, only that those 30-40 estimated hours will bring you great freedom musically, and while truly, there are failed linux projects to avoid, we can steer someone away from the icebergs, much as the many great and generous devs and users here have, over many years. See my previous post for a nicely working linux setup...and also utilize
the JAD from
www.jacklab.net
...a nice suse 10.2 based distro, with realtime kernel, modern audio apps,and now an asio driver for
W ine
I s
N ot an
E mulator

that is opening great vistas to penguin loving musicians around the world!
':-o' Did I just say, 'great vistas'? ''

[glokraw]

even if you dont install ubuntu/knoppix/another distro its always handy to have a live knoppix or morphix CD handy! i've managed to save my windows partition from virus's and having to do a reinstall many times because i either had another OS installed or because i had a live CD to hand

WoJ

... '8)'
Plus, you can use the cd/dvd or usbstick to boot from a knoppix/dynebolic hard-disk nest, run the linux comms apps, and just mount windows partitions long enough to copy over needed downloads , and delete even more hogware windoze apps from your studio rig...let it be mean and lean, penguins make it possible!

[VitaminD]

Upgrading ubuntu over version numbers is always a nightmare. It took me two days to get my machine in a functional state after I upgraded from dapper to edy.
Upgrading from edgy to anything later should be easier. They included a new distro-upgrade app in that one.
If you want to try out ubuntu studio I recommend a clean install.
I even recommend a clean install if you wish to upgrade versions, unless you're prepared to do some command line stuff. (just keep your data on a seperate partition and you'll be fine)

after all my troubles.. I agree.. in hindsight I should have just backed up my personal data and then mowed the partition over at the get go..

[Muzik 4 Machines]

...And if you insist on ATI video cards in linux,
go out to your car, and yank off some sparkplug wires, the effect will be the same ':lol:'
...

not anymore apparently

Henri Richard, AMD's VP of sales, has promised to deliver open-source drivers for ATI graphics cards (recently acquired by AMD) at the recent Red Hat Summit. A series of good news for proponents of open-source device drivers. In the last year, Intel, the leading provider of integrated graphics cards, has opened their drivers as well. But ATI and NVidia, the only two players in the market for high-performance discrete graphics cards, have so far released only closed-source drivers for their cards. This has created numerous compatibility, stability, and ethical problems for users of Linux and other open source OSes, and prompted projects like Nouveau to try and reverse-engineer NVidia drivers. Hopefully AMD's decision will put pressure on NVidia to release open-source drivers as well!"

[VitaminD]

...And if you insist on ATI video cards in linux,
go out to your car, and yank off some sparkplug wires, the effect will be the same ':lol:'
...

not anymore apparently

Henri Richard, AMD's VP of sales, has promised to deliver open-source drivers for ATI graphics cards (recently acquired by AMD) at the recent Red Hat Summit. A series of good news for proponents of open-source device drivers. In the last year, Intel, the leading provider of integrated graphics cards, has opened their drivers as well. But ATI and NVidia, the only two players in the market for high-performance discrete graphics cards, have so far released only closed-source drivers for their cards. This has created numerous compatibility, stability, and ethical problems for users of Linux and other open source OSes, and prompted projects like Nouveau to try and reverse-engineer NVidia drivers. Hopefully AMD's decision will put pressure on NVidia to release open-source drivers as well!"

Seeing is believing in this case.

[Paul David]

I'm posting from Ubuntu Studio right now, I had no problems installing and after a little tweaking everything works fine. My vid-card is nVidia and I've got the Beryl 3d desktop working which is fun & pretty. This is the first time I've seriously used Linux in a few years and I think it's finally at the point where I can switch to it permanently.

[aciddose]

the only reason i still use windows is for the odd game, and that is not very often. i'll be switching full in the next while as well. windows is in big trouble since for the average user (using http, im, photos/video/music) all bases have been covered for a long time. now the only thing stopping people from really moving is the difficulty with configuration - and that isnt going to remain a problem for very long.

[5.1]

now the only thing stopping people from really moving is the difficulty with configuration - and that isnt going to remain a problem for very long.

I hope so.

Ubuntu Studio is by far the easiest install I've had of any Linux system, but configuring some things is still a pain. For example, I've got an old RME card, a via onboard chipset and a crappy Novation Speedio USB audio device attached to my test system. Ubuntu Studio correctly identified all of them and audio works fine on the via chipset and the RME card - but only using the ALSA drivers (there doesn't appear to be an ALSA driver for the Speedio).

I can't seem to get JACK working on any of these devices, and the major problem is that there seems to be precious little documentation available for JACK or Qjacktcl, so it's really difficult to even try and work out what's going wrong.

Ease of configuration for a lot of things has improved considerably over the past few years, but there's still a way to go until it's as "simple" as Windows XP.

On the plus side, I never realised how stable GIMP could be on a non-windows system. It rocks compared to running it on Windoze.

Cheers,

Malcolm.

[glokraw]

Upgrading ubuntu over version numbers is always a nightmare. It took me two days to get my machine in a functional state after I upgraded from dapper to edy.
Upgrading from edgy to anything later should be easier. They included a new distro-upgrade app in that one.
If you want to try out ubuntu studio I recommend a clean install.
I even recommend a clean install if you wish to upgrade versions, unless you're prepared to do some command line stuff. (just keep your data on a seperate partition and you'll be fine)

after all my troubles.. I agree.. in hindsight I should have just backed up my personal data and then mowed the partition over at the get go..

Try making a separate partition with /home as mount point, and maybe a third partition in fat32 format for gates sake....Mandriva install media offer the easiest and best formatting/resizing solution...just pretend you're installing Mandriva, and after you run the graphically splendid partitioner, and you see/hear its done, just power-off the
computer, and switch install media when you restart...having a /home means you can save/reuse your settings upon a reinstall/new install...isp, email, preferences, themes etc etc...most installers now have options to preserve /home ':love:'

Even updating a portion of gnome/kde can be a nightmare..':o'.another vote for
'if it ain't broke, don't fix it" ...the hal vs dbus wars go on...

[VitaminD]

Upgrading ubuntu over version numbers is always a nightmare. It took me two days to get my machine in a functional state after I upgraded from dapper to edy.
Upgrading from edgy to anything later should be easier. They included a new distro-upgrade app in that one.
If you want to try out ubuntu studio I recommend a clean install.
I even recommend a clean install if you wish to upgrade versions, unless you're prepared to do some command line stuff. (just keep your data on a seperate partition and you'll be fine)

after all my troubles.. I agree.. in hindsight I should have just backed up my personal data and then mowed the partition over at the get go..

Try making a separate partition with /home as mount point, and maybe a third partition in fat32 format for gates sake....Mandriva install media offer the easiest and best formatting/resizing solution...just pretend you're installing Mandriva, and after you run the graphically splendid partitioner, and you see/hear its done, just power-off the
computer, and switch install media when you restart...having a /home means you can save/reuse your settings upon a reinstall/new install...isp, email, preferences, themes etc etc...most installers now have options to preserve /home ':love:'

Even updating a portion of gnome/kde can be a nightmare..':o'.another vote for
'if it ain't broke, don't fix it" ...the hal vs dbus wars go on...

thats the way I have it... and had it..

I had it all up and running yesterday afternoon.. but 3d acceleration was painfully slow so I doinked with the drivers, trying to get it to work faster.. in the end I killed the acceleration (something about driver mismatch) so its even slower now on mesa3d I said forget it after playing with it for some time.. I'll just wait for these supposedly 'open' ati drivers.. or just settle with 2d.

oh and never used mandriva.. However I have used mandrake a few years back.. wasn't too impressed. In any event.. UbSt seems fine now that I'm up to a v7.. the next time I need to upgrade will probably be the time I get a new laptop.. so im set. next time I'm definately looking for a non-ati videocard/igp.

[adj]

So, real quick -- if I want to create a dual boot system -- XP on one and linux on the other and install Ubuntu Studio, what are the recommendations? Which linux is best?

[aciddose]

probably the best thing for you to do would be either run something like ubuntu-live off a live-cd, or use something like the "business-card" installation of debian (32mb) after studying the installation procedure for a considerable time to figure out which packages you need. learning to use apt-get and browse the archive (with html, dselect, aptitude, or something) before starting the installation is a big advantage.

using a live-cd to learn the basics would be REALLY smart. actually, definitely do that.

"ubuntu studio" is a flavor-of-linux though, so if you want that, use that. my recommendation of debian-bc is for general purpose systems - it's especially easy to get a server working with that method. (apt-get install apache/etc, done.)

when you configure a "dual boot" system, you have to use a bootloader like GRUB (grand unified bootloader) since the windows loader is a multi-stage loader which isnt even capable of correctly loading anything other than windows. the MBR boots into grub, GRUB shows a menu to select the operating system (ubuntu studio / windows / whatever) and then if you select windows, the windows bootloader is executed and that provides the rest of the normal "windows" boot process.

grub is capable of booting pretty much any os, so you can even run msdos 4 on your modern pc from a boot menu if you really want to.

grub needs access to files as part of the operating system being booted, so it can be complicated if you're using an individual disk for each system.

all that said, the purpose of ubuntu is to NOT be that complicated, and to make things as easy as possible you should really just install it on a separate pc and learn how to configure it before trying to set up a dual booting system. it IS possible to install it with very little effort on a separate partition, or an additional disk and have it configure the bootloader itself, all automatically. i wouldnt _really_ advise doing that unless you've done it before though, so installing on a separate pc at first is the best idea.