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vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat May 26, 2007 10:32 pm

Toxikator wrote:They do, JJF... The reason being that their brain attaches colors to the frequencies.

you actually think its that simple?
that there is only one route to the answer and it can be summed up in one sentence?
you are sadly misguided, as you have already stated there are different types of syaesthesia. wgat you dont seem to grasp is that each of these different types has many different gradients attached.

some get colour definition, some get shapes, some get a combination of both, some get it intermittently some are afflicted all the time. some if you effect the sound even just with distortion it removes the normal reaction...
there have been oer the years many tests and published writings into this perhaps if you look beyond wiki for once you might find something more

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:16 pm

nuffink wrote:The british judiciary doing what it does best... Judge: What is a website?

Sorry for bumping the OT stuff, but WHAT THE HECK?
That's just ridiculous.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:41 pm

@Sascha: Agreed. I have to wonder why someone didn't just SHOW him a few websites. "Ah -- so it's more than a place to show photos of your cat, then? I see..."

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:59 pm

Meffy wrote:I have to wonder why someone didn't just SHOW him a few websites.

Thing is, why didn't HE, while preparing for a trial which is about judging over terrorist activities, get informed HIMSELF before? That's really without any excuse. Just showed the article to my GF and she really thought it was a joke.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sun May 27, 2007 12:12 am

Troo dat. *shrug* Go figure. It does read like an episode out of a "Rumpole" story, that's for sure.

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Sun May 27, 2007 12:31 am

vurt wrote:
Toxikator wrote:They do, JJF... The reason being that their brain attaches colors to the frequencies.
you actually think its that simple?

Obviously not. Read all the posts next time.

JJF asked whether A# and Bb were synesthetically different; I said they were NOT, the reason being that synesthesia is sensory. A# and Bb sound the same, therefore they should (assuming REAL synesthesia) present the same visual cues, regardless of what we call them.

gsoto · Post by **gsoto** » Sun May 27, 2007 12:39 am

JumpingJackFlash wrote:This is interesting, especially at the end there, seeing as you can't really have the key of A# major. I don't know whether that was deliberate or not. (In theory, it would have to be notated as Bb major).

I totally suck at music theory, especially notation; the only formal knowledge I have comes from a few keyboard classes I had when I was a kid and some random reading through the years. That's why I wrote "A# major" instead of "Bb major", sorry to disappoint you.

Toxikator wrote:Gsoto, it sounds like you have synesthesia. It's possible that it's imagination, though; the real test would be to have someone play chords or notes for you without telling you what they ARE; that would be the simplest way to determine whether your color association is grounded in your cognitive process, rather than your sensory perception.

Cognitive process absolutely.
I should have stated clearly that the colors are not connected to the pitch or sound but the "mental concept" (?) of the notes and chords. It seems extremely tied to how I learned and stored things in my memory.

JumpingJackFlash wrote:So, assuming you are in equal temperament, do you see A# and Bb the same? - What about if you're not in equal temperament? (...)

Well, I "learned" music by hitting the keys in a keyboard, so I guess the "color coding" makes sense in equal temperament. I don't know, never experimented very much with other tuning systems.
And no, I don't see any logic in the colors.

JumpingJackFlash wrote:If I glissandoed quickly through the chromatic scale, would you see a nice pretty rainbow?

I wish!

Dreamw · Post by **Dreamw** » Sun May 27, 2007 12:41 am

Toxikator wrote:I disagree. I use 12-tone serial things all the time, it works in contexts. Get a bunch of violins doing pizzicato runs of a tone-row, and mix it up so that every one is doing a different set, and you get that brilliant horror-film "insect" thing going on.

It has its functions.

Interesting - thats 12 tone ? can I see the score ?

Dreamw · Post by **Dreamw** » Sun May 27, 2007 12:43 am

nuffink wrote:The british judiciary doing what it does best... Judge: What is a website?

This what makes Britain great

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Sun May 27, 2007 1:38 am

Dreamw wrote:
Toxikator wrote:I disagree. I use 12-tone serial things all the time, it works in contexts. Get a bunch of violins doing pizzicato runs of a tone-row, and mix it up so that every one is doing a different set, and you get that brilliant horror-film "insect" thing going on.

It has its functions.
Interesting - thats 12 tone ? can I see the score ?

If you think you can make heads or tails of it, I guess so. It's basically just one tone row that I entered into a piano roll then squashed to half-length, moved up an octave, did a retrograde and an inversion, and then copied it AGAIN higher and faster still... and then automated a tempo increase.

Dreamw · Post by **Dreamw** » Sun May 27, 2007 9:09 am

Thanks; Yes I can make out a few heads and tails. We had to compose a few of these at college. I was quite dismissive at the time but now I like. Some scres look like abstract paintings.

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Sun May 27, 2007 1:11 pm

I used to compose piano solo pieces for shits and giggles, and I'd use 12-tone sections to break down areas. Like the piece would be on a viio7 in A minor, and rather than resolve it the chord would just collapse into a tone row that ended on a different chord and lo, the song is in Eb minor.

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