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Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:33 pm

I just made a remix, and people say its offkey... i cant hear it quite.. but many said so.

I have provided a little sample for you to determine wether its offkey, and how to fix it.

http://www.subtleinc.net/Downloads/maha ... amplee.mp3

The bass is in the note A

Any help would be appreciated.

CinningBao · Post by **CinningBao** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:49 pm

Definitely off-key - the original song seems to be in F harmonic minor

F G Ab Bb C C# Eb F

your A note is very wrong - swap it for an F, keep to the notes above and you'll be ok.

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:57 pm

Ah i see.. thanks!! thats very helpful.. only problem is, i already completed 90% of the track. and the rest is written in A Minor.

So if i pitch down the choir (which is a sample from the original) down 2 whole-notes.. it'll be ok or ?

CinningBao · Post by **CinningBao** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:10 pm

Technically speaking the Bass isn't in the same key as the choir part at the moment, but if the main key of the song (from what I can hear underneath your choir and bass) is A minor, then you just need to shift the choir up 4 semitones, and it _should_ be ok.

Boulotaur2024 · Post by **Boulotaur2024** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:13 pm

It's funny some people can't hear such obvious dissonances

Pretty good track btw

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:37 pm

Thanks alot for the input.. =D

Ehm.. btw.. does this make me tonedeaf ?

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:53 pm

Ah shit.. pitching up 4 seminotes completely ruines the sample :/

any suggestions ?

This is prolly asking much.. but could anyone find the actuall notes for the sequence?

Here is a clean sample:

http://www.subtleinc.net/cleanchoir.mp3

this has become my life's project

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:31 am

Are you guys really sure this is out of tune? i asked a very respected producer responsible for over 400 releases if it was out of tune, and he told me no.

CinningBao · Post by **CinningBao** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:11 pm

Definitely. there's no way that choir is in the same key as the bass, and if 'a very respectable producer' couldn't hear it I'd guess

1. he did but thought it would be a better idea if you found out 'the hard way'?
or
2. he didn't and in that case is probably not responsible for any particularly high-quality hits.

other outcomes are possible but not easily predictable. Fact is, the choir line is in F harmonic minor and the bass is playing A, which doesn't fit into F harmonic minor at all.

I'm gonna stick my head out here and say that I think you need more listening skills. These choir chords are very VERY basic, and they clash very obviously with the bassline.

But, you cleearly have no idea of these issues, so I'll summarize the choir notes below:

C F Ab
C F G - C Eb G
Bb C# F
Bb C# F Ab - Bb C# F Ab Bb

If this is your currnet life project, and you wish to continue doing similar projects, I wholeheartedly recommend you find a music teacher who can teach you how to listen to music because yes, you are tone deaf (or so it would seem!)

phraggle · Post by **phraggle** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:26 pm

Bass note is definitely just wrong - really, we're really sure...

CinningBao · Post by **CinningBao** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:46 pm

hey phraggle (from the rock?), don't confuse Subtle - the bass sounds more wrong that the chords, but I think the original songs is in A minor, and the bass actually fits to that, just not the F minor chords.

So in that respect it's the Choir which requires manipulation.

Stargard · Post by **Stargard** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:57 pm

the bass and the 303 lines are off key. the choir sounds good the way it is.

Stargard · Post by **Stargard** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:59 pm

Subtle wrote:Thanks alot for the input.. =D

Ehm.. btw.. does this make me tonedeaf ?

no. you could leave it the way it is for the first 8 bars and then switch.
you can upload the choir loop and I'll compose a fitting bassline real quick to show you what I mean.

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:01 pm

Thanks for the input..

The producer is definitely capable.. trust me on that.. dont know why he didnt get it.. maybe he wanted me to find it the hard way.

im very new to this chord thing and stuff just bare with me please.

C F G - C Eb G - Arent these the same chords ?

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:05 pm

Stargard wrote:
Subtle wrote:Thanks alot for the input.. =D

Ehm.. btw.. does this make me tonedeaf ?
no. you could leave it the way it is for the first 8 bars and then switch.
you can upload the choir loop and I'll compose a fitting bassline real quick to show you what I mean.

Here is the choir loop.

http://www.subtleinc.net/cleanchoir.mp3

For the record the choir is a sample from the original track.

this is how the later part of the track sounds, the main part:

http://www.subtleinc.net/Downloads/maha ... sample.mp3

Can anyone tell me which key this is in ?