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jens · Post by **jens** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:01 pm

bduffy wrote:
jens wrote:
bduffy wrote:
But then again, I don't make agro-industrio-experimental-junglo-EBM music.

me neither but rather sweet pop instead - but still I use both bit-crushing and downsampling a lot... it often makes things so much nicer.
"Nicer"? How so? I would associate downsampling with "rougher".

yes, these associations are an odd thing, aren't they? - once Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin have been considered ultra-hard and brutal...

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:03 pm

jens wrote:
bduffy wrote:
jens wrote:
bduffy wrote:
But then again, I don't make agro-industrio-experimental-junglo-EBM music.

me neither but rather sweet pop instead - but still I use both bit-crushing and downsampling a lot... it often makes things so much nicer.
"Nicer"? How so? I would associate downsampling with "rougher".
yes, these associations are an odd thing, aren't they? - once Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin have been considered ultra-hard and brutal...

True, true...

jens · Post by **jens** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:07 pm

anyway: e.g. I sometimes take a heavy guitar-riff and totally 'destroy' it with filter, bitcrusher, downsampler, digtal-waveshaping, etc. until you hardly recognize it anymore and suddenly people who hate hard guitar say something like 'that's nice!'

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:09 pm

jens wrote:anyway: e.g. I sometimes take a heavy guitar-riff and totally 'destroy' it with filter, bitcrusher, downsampler, digtal-waveshaping, etc. until you hardly recognize it anymore and suddenly people who hate hard guitar say something like 'that's nice!'

Right. Doesn't sound like it'd be nice, but I'd have to hear it in context to get it, I think. Any of your songs have that in it?

jens · Post by **jens** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:14 pm

dunno - I think I should need to upload something...

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:23 pm

Please do, I'm most curious.

I was just listening to Ulrich Schnuass's brilliant album "A Strangely Isolated Place", and I swear he uses a bitcrusher on every track, and it's annoying, because it's so smooth and ambient otherwise, I was like, "OK! I get it already! Turn it off for one song at least!". My strong sentiment about bitcrushers was reinforced by that, perhaps.

advaya · Post by **advaya** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:37 pm

jens wrote:suddenly people who hate hard guitar say something like 'that's nice!'

Are you sure they're not saying something like "that's noise!"

I kid... I actually do know (through experiences of my own) what you're getting at.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:24 pm

bduffy wrote:I swear he uses a bitcrusher on every track

That's pretty common, and you're right, it is annoying. It's like those 80s albums where the guitar always had chorus on it. Too much of a good thing and all that.

Bitcrushers can be used quite creatively though, just that judicious use is always preferred. But then, some folk put ketchup on all of their food, too (god knows why).

jens · Post by **jens** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:36 pm

advaya wrote: Are you sure they're not saying something like "that's noise!"

bduffy wrote:Please do, I'm most curious.

I was just listening to Ulrich Schnuass's brilliant album "A Strangely Isolated Place", and I swear he uses a bitcrusher on every track, and it's annoying, because it's so smooth and ambient otherwise, I was like, "OK! I get it already! Turn it off for one song at least!". My strong sentiment about bitcrushers was reinforced by that, perhaps.

well, of course I don't put 'nasty' effects on everything - it's has to be adequate and has to balance with the sweet sounds...

...I don't think there's something like a general recipe - that's imo counter-creative...

well, o.k. - this is a track I've been recently working on - but please keep in mind that it's rather unfinished - because my singeress doesn't come up with the vocals/lyrics!

It ain't proply mastered, the drums are too monotone, a bassline is missing for the chorus, etc.

- but at least it demonstrates what we've been discussing...

http://www.sendmefile.com/00542977

aren't we really off topic now?

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:08 pm

shamann wrote:
bduffy wrote:I swear he uses a bitcrusher on every track
That's pretty common, and you're right, it is annoying. It's like those 80s albums where the guitar always had chorus on it. Too much of a good thing and all that.

Bitcrushers can be used quite creatively though, just that judicious use is always preferred. But then, some folk put ketchup on all of their food, too (god knows why).

What's wrong with chorus on every guitar track!?!

jens wrote:aren't we really off topic now?

Topic, schmopic. Downloading your track now, thanks!

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:31 pm

Well, that is the nicest bitcrushed guitar I've ever heard!

And there's even a chorus on the guitar for shamann!

Cool track, very happy!

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:20 am

There are different sounding bitcrushers you know. And usually the thing that really makes a difference in it is the resampling part.

It's not the best effect there is and some people do use it way too much. It's actually very annoying to listen to some type of music that has no other effects on it. You know what music i speak of

Maybe those kids grow out of it soon.. who knows.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:23 am

Not all effects are meant to be used continuously and constantly you know. Some tasty bitcrushing in segments can do wonders, just as much as the next crazy effect.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:31 am

bduffy wrote:Well, that is the nicest bitcrushed guitar I've ever heard!

And there's even a chorus on the guitar for shamann!

Cool track, very happy!

they want 99cents for me to download it.......................

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:38 pm

bduffy wrote:Well, that is the nicest bitcrushed guitar I've ever heard!

And there's even a chorus on the guitar for shamann!

Cool track, very happy!

Glad you like it

(and that find the destroyed guitar nice

)

Yes, I'm also guilty of putting chorus more often than not one guitar...

B.t.w.: the reverb I used here is Omniverb v1.

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