KVR Audio

Fogga · Post by **Fogga** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:34 pm

I know reverb helps but when you listen to this stuff it sounds as if it's kind of in the distance, I know velocity/panning also helps but it doesn't give me that authentic sound.

JumpingJackFlash · Post by **JumpingJackFlash** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:21 pm

Fogga wrote:I know reverb helps but when you listen to this stuff it sounds as if it's kind of in the distance, I know velocity/panning also helps but it doesn't give me that authentic sound.

Knowing how to orchestrate helps. - Knowing the characteristics of the instruments is important. - Writing as if you were writing for a real orchestra will make the piece seem more realistic. (Read up on orchestration).

Layering can also help, particularly with brass instruments (which I find are hardest to get to sound real).

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:23 pm

What samples are you using, Fogga?

KingofBeers · Post by **KingofBeers** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:37 pm

Yeah, the right samples help..also THE RIGHT kinds of reverb treatments and setups help too eg....True Stereo/..Surround reverb (if you are working in surround that is), lots of Early Reflections, but not so much of the reverb tail for a clean film score sound or for a concert feel add more of the longer tail to taste. Then theres EQing the reverb returns to scoop out the resonances and what not to mold and clean up the sound.

Hope this helps.

Cheers.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:44 pm

Good stuff, KingofBeers.

I'd love to know if we're dealing with an 8M soundfont or something larger...

KingofBeers · Post by **KingofBeers** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:44 pm

I forgot to mention that as you are creating your virtual space ..use different delay times for different instruments...Strings being the shortest..Percussion the longest etc.

Cheers.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:45 pm

Delay times? Pre-delay times on the reverb, you mean?

Boulotaur2024 · Post by **Boulotaur2024** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:49 pm

This could come in handy :

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/sho ... hp?t=50311

KingofBeers · Post by **KingofBeers** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:07 pm

bduffy wrote:Delay times? Pre-delay times on the reverb, you mean?

That too!

..yep pre delays.

But yeah, the samples help to.

Creating a realistic Orchestra is an art form in itself, using samples and psychoacoustics is only part of it(most if concert emulating

)..but for film score as much tweaking can go in this stuff as say "The Rock or Electro guys" do, messing with your virtual TUBES, AMPS, EQ, COMPS, WARMERS, ..you get the picture.

Cheers.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:09 pm

Paging Foggo! White Courtesy phone for Foggo! Your thread is calling!

moosethree · Post by **moosethree** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:23 pm

As realistic is going to be impossible if your a perfectionist maybe expressive and musical would also be a good measure.

Fogga · Post by **Fogga** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:33 pm

Nice tips will come in handy for sure.

I am using the samples you get with Reason. I'll have to check out this PSP stuff, it seems quite popular, although I'm getting a bit fed up with software, I need something to acutally put my hands on I think!

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:11 pm

KingofBeers · Post by **KingofBeers** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:21 pm

Probably Should Pray.

Fogga · Post by **Fogga** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:48 pm

Yeah pspaudioware.com

Orchestra music - how do tget that REAL sound?