I'm interested in the MAudio Audiophile 192.
Can I expect to use it to record vox and at the same time have a monitormix in my headphones based on vox plus effectplugins in my sequencer?
Monitormix in MAudio Audiophile 192
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- KVRist
- 188 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Between the headphones
Not without latency issues. There really isn't any native solution that will let you track and monitor with effects. You need some sort of DSP based effects on the interface itself. Check out the stuff from E-MU, Focusrite, and Creamware for this sort of thing.
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- KVRAF
- 16866 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
Well, partially...
What you can do, is use Direct Monitoring for the dry vocals (done analog inside the card without latency, it's an ASIO v2 feature) and mix that with reverb signal from any plugin. Latency on reverb can't be that annoying, it acts just like an extra pre-delay of 5ms.
But I never understood the point of monitoring vocals with reverb...
What you can do, is use Direct Monitoring for the dry vocals (done analog inside the card without latency, it's an ASIO v2 feature) and mix that with reverb signal from any plugin. Latency on reverb can't be that annoying, it acts just like an extra pre-delay of 5ms.
But I never understood the point of monitoring vocals with reverb...
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 666 posts since 5 Jan, 2004
Thanks, guys.
Jkotz, on the contrary, I've heard that with a good computer and a good low-latency soundcard, it should work.
BertKoor, have you actually tried that with the Audiophile 192? I've heard that it may not allow that, and I would like to be sure.
By the way, who has said anything about monitoring with reverb? But it can for example be pretty nice to directly hear what your vocoder/wierd delay/Darth Vader-effect will sound like, and therefore "ride the effect" and in real time modulate your voice accordingly.
Jkotz, on the contrary, I've heard that with a good computer and a good low-latency soundcard, it should work.
BertKoor, have you actually tried that with the Audiophile 192? I've heard that it may not allow that, and I would like to be sure.
By the way, who has said anything about monitoring with reverb? But it can for example be pretty nice to directly hear what your vocoder/wierd delay/Darth Vader-effect will sound like, and therefore "ride the effect" and in real time modulate your voice accordingly.
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- KVRAF
- 16866 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
No, I haven't tried that since I do not own this specific card.
You are correct that it should work, and I think that the PCI version of the M-Audio AudioPhile 192 falls into the category of "good cards".
Even with a bad card without Asio drivers it works. But with a high latency...
The minimum latency you can run any card at depends on too many factors: the computer, the project (think of CPU load, sampling frequency, bit depth, etc) but MOST modern cards in modern PCs in an average project can handle a latency of 128 or 256 samples quite fine. Most people are comfortable with that.
And no, you didn't say anything about reverb. But it's the most common usage. What you're going to do is the same as recording a dry guitar and monitoring with amp sim effect plugins. It's general practice, and I'm pretty convinced that 90% of the cards available on the market today (including the Audiophile 192) are up to that task.
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You are correct that it should work, and I think that the PCI version of the M-Audio AudioPhile 192 falls into the category of "good cards".
Even with a bad card without Asio drivers it works. But with a high latency...
The minimum latency you can run any card at depends on too many factors: the computer, the project (think of CPU load, sampling frequency, bit depth, etc) but MOST modern cards in modern PCs in an average project can handle a latency of 128 or 256 samples quite fine. Most people are comfortable with that.
And no, you didn't say anything about reverb. But it's the most common usage. What you're going to do is the same as recording a dry guitar and monitoring with amp sim effect plugins. It's general practice, and I'm pretty convinced that 90% of the cards available on the market today (including the Audiophile 192) are up to that task.
Before you buy this: investigate the return policy of your shop. Make sure you can return it within a reasonable term with no questions asked and a full refund. Just in case it doesn't live up to your expectations...
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- KVRian
- 954 posts since 15 Dec, 2000 from NY,NY,USA
I track with plugins live in Sonar with the Audiophile 24/96. What I do is mute the input in the Audiophiles mixer applet and monitor the output of Sonar(my app) only. Yes, it's at 2.9ms, but since I dont hear both incoming and outgoing at once, I don't notice any discernable delay, and Sonar has PDC and compensates anyway. Works fine. I even track Reggae vocalists with live delay and specific BPM and they never notice any latencey either, or are off in timing in any way.
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- KVRian
- 623 posts since 28 Jan, 2005 from hollywood
With *all* M-Audio PCI cards and FW interfaces, you can use the built-in "Monitor Mixer" for (near) zero-latency monitoring -- even in apps that don't support "ASIO Direct Monitoring". This functionality is available in the device's control panel. It's a little obscure/confusing but it does work.
In practice, if you have a decent computer, you can almost always get the latency low enough to where the talent (vocalist, instrumentalist, etc.) doesn't notice it by setting your buffer to 128 samples during tracking (then crank it back up for mixing).
If you already have a complex project, just bounce a rough mix and have the talent do their takes to that in an empty session. If your preferred fx have high latencies, just use crappy ones for tracking. For example: you might want to use a gorgeous convolution reverb for the final mix, but any mediocre room reverb will be enough for the vocalist to 'feel' the space.
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In practice, if you have a decent computer, you can almost always get the latency low enough to where the talent (vocalist, instrumentalist, etc.) doesn't notice it by setting your buffer to 128 samples during tracking (then crank it back up for mixing).
If you already have a complex project, just bounce a rough mix and have the talent do their takes to that in an empty session. If your preferred fx have high latencies, just use crappy ones for tracking. For example: you might want to use a gorgeous convolution reverb for the final mix, but any mediocre room reverb will be enough for the vocalist to 'feel' the space.
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