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I think it speaks volumes, that yet again the grandest ideas are evolving, while still the basics do not work properly.

One serious issue, which I reported months ago b.t.w., has not been mentioned here yet - this again is a problem though which only concearns those users who actually create music with the application (sorry for the pun, just couldn't hold myself back, I'm quite compulsive these days :hihi:):

depending on your screensize, there's a maximum number of inserts and sends you can load until the default bin-size becomes too small so that the vertical height of the mixer increases - then you have too scroll/move it in order to access all controls - this forced scrolling alone would imo already be bad enough, but it's much worse:

with the described situation the mixer-strip in the sequencer grows accordingly so that the bottom starts to dissappear - and here's no way to get them them back by scrolling down - and this goes for each channel, not just the one which contains the many inserts.

To be brutally honest I don't quite see how this could possibly be overlooked.

It's yet again an example of where the basics are not quite ready to be properly used. And imo it's out of the question to discuss any addtional features until these kinds of issues are not fixed.

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jorgen wrote:Maybe better to have volume on connections than have sends show up in the comps view. This will separate the modular stuff from the mixer stuff nicely and you can choose one or the other way (or both) that suits your needs.
Hmmm... the trouble comes when you try to use both, though - if you've already set up a few sends and then decide to do some stuff in the modular window, you need to remember precisely what invisible magic is going on behind the scenes, or you'll end up with weirdness. Possibly in a bad way.

(The other FR about 'mini-mixers' was another idea to solve the same problem, actually.)

Not that I'd say no to volume controls on audio lines, though. :D
It's a rave, Lewis!

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it would make sense to me if sends were just like any comps except that they have special properties in the mixer. i can't think of a reason why they shouldn't show up in the comps view. if someone is only using the sequencer & mixer, they'll never see it anyway...
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jens wrote: depending on your screensize, there's a maximum number of inserts and sends you can load until the default bin-size becomes too small so that the vertical height of the mixer increases - then you have too scroll/move it in order to access all controls - this forced scrolling alone would imo already be bad enough, but it's much worse:

with the described situation the mixer-strip in the sequencer grows accordingly so that the bottom starts to dissappear - and here's no way to get them them back by scrolling down - and this goes for each channel, not just the one which contains the many inserts.
Yep this is something I don't like too. A redesign in this area would be very welcomed. Perhaps making each channel a little bit larger and having the fader side by side with the inserts and the sends - but please don'double the size.
...Or something else - I don't really know ...

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and send levels in the mixer could be appear as audio cable levels in the comps window. there could be some checkbox somewhere to specify that a comp is a send for mixer purposes....?
wrongtastic, baby
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[rubbish deleted]
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Piz: from my point of view that would be ideal - it'd be flexible and transparent, and would allow you to use modular or mixer or both without compromising either of them. Plus I kind of like the idea of viewing the same function in two different ways rather than implementing it twice.

But I seem to recall that this was suggested before and Jorgen had a reason not to want to do it that way. I can't remember what the reason was, though...
It's a rave, Lewis!

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FragileX wrote: ...Or something else - I don't really know ...
I think it should be as it is in Sonar: once the available space is used up the bin gets scroll up/down -buttons - and the scroll-wheel also could be used for this - that's an easy solution and imo far more elegant than having to scroll the whole mixer...





edit: typos...
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Yep this is something I don't like too. A redesign in this area would be very welcomed. Perhaps making each channel a little bit larger and having the fader side by side with the inserts and the sends - but please don'double the size.
...Or something else - I don't really know ...
make the whole mixer vertically resizable, and the insert & send boxes would stretch? if the mixer gets too small, the effect boxes would get scrollbars?

edit: jens already said this. and yeah, scroll buttons would be better.
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wrongtastic, baby
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I don't think the mixer needs to be scalable - this probably would use a considerable amount of coding-time which could be used to fix stuff instead... - I think Jorgen should just add scroll-buttons for the bins, remove the vertical scrollbar and be done with it.

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yep that would be the better way - scalable as a bonus in 2.5 ;-)
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yup - just like most other stuff which has been requested here* (usual disclaimer: 'all imho of course')! :-D



*even though I'm all for the 'fader pop-up from cables'-idea. 8)
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jorgen wrote:I'm not a DJ, so do you have a pic?
cheers
jorgen
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Great explaination of a DJ mixer's features http://www.ableton.com/pages/tips/2004_04

It's more about how it sounds than how it looks :lol:
The important factors are:

1) That you can lower the gain on 3 bands so much that no sound can be heard. None.
2) You can assign a channel to one of two sides of a crossfader (A/B). A crossfader essentially functions like two faders connected side-by-side to each other, but in opposite directions. It allows a DJ to fade one source out while fading another source in at the same time.
3) You can send a source to a second output (before the crossfader), a "cue", for listening to in headphones to get the sound right before raising the level to the audience.

Some features of nice systems, adjustable cross over frequency of the EQ bands, allow you to cue before or after the EQ, level indicators, trim, pan, resonant filters, inserts, sends, built in effects, beat detection, loop sampling, etc.

High res picture of Allen-heath xone92 pro 4 channel DJ mixer:
http://www.allen-heath.com/ahimages/hi_ ... panel2.jpg
This one has 4 bands but 3 are easier to work with.

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jorgen wrote: unfortunately, nobody want levels on audio cables.

cheers
jorgen
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soma wrote: Some features of nice systems, adjustable cross over frequency of the EQ bands, allow you to cue before or after the EQ, level indicators, trim, pan, resonant filters, inserts, sends, built in effects, beat detection, loop sampling,
And hamster switches. Very important are hamster switches.

More for the name than the functionality, though.
It's a rave, Lewis!

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