Manytone Music

nrenier · Post by **nrenier** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:54 pm

Hi,

I bought today the manybass bundle : I can't wait for the release ! But Now I am wondering if I was not mistaken : Are the Upright and Acoustic guitar bass designed to be loaded with the manybass VST ? Or at least, will it be possible to load them with Manybass? And just to check : Manybass is a "standalone" VST plugin, I don't need any extra stuff? Because I don't have any sampler...

manytone · Post by **manytone** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:09 pm

Hi nrenier

Thanks for your purchase.
Of course the Upright Bass and the Acoustic Bass addons in the bundle will load and play in ManyBass.

Also, Yes ManyBass is a sampler/synth itself with Samples that play in it. You need a Host that lets you play virtual instruments. (Cubase, Sonar, Orion, Logic on Mac and many others). As long as you understand about using virtual instrument Plug-ins, you will be fine understanding ManyBass and its operation.

Thanks again and welcome to KVR and the ManyTone forum!
Paul

nrenier · Post by **nrenier** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:36 pm

Just fine.... thank you for the explanations. But if I understood allright, I will need to run 2 instances of manybass to get both mic'ed and DI sounds? And to get the most natural acoustic sound, I guess that the amp modelling should be turned off?

P.S. : I am using Cubase 4

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:43 pm

If you want a mix of DI and mic'd signal, you can use two instances (just tried it out here and it works great). So put the DI soundset through an amp/cabinet model, but leave the mic'd signal uneffected. So basically this simulates the upright bass pickup plugged into an amp, but both the amp sound and the acoustic sound of the bass being audible.

EDIT: I should add that even just using a single DI or mic'd soundset in ManyBass should sound fine, too.

manytone · Post by **manytone** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:58 pm

To add to what Greg said.
Typically you would not layer Real Bass sounds as you could get some phase problems etc. but...

The Ovation and the Upright are bit different in that for example in the Ovation I recorded the notes for the DI and the Mic set at the same time and then edited them together as a stereo file to keep the notes in sync with each other. Then the sets were split into 2 individual Soundsets.

All our other basses though work with just single soundsets and not layers. This again was just something we did to enhance the acoustic Basses a bit.
Cheers
Paul

Mike777 · Post by **Mike777** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:07 pm

I'm confused. Is ManyBass available for download now? What is the difference between it and Ultimate bass kit?

nrenier · Post by **nrenier** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:40 pm

Maybe I can answer this one, and correct me if I'am wrong : Manybass is not available yet (end of june). The difference with ultimate bass are many

:

-A real player with special features designed to reproduce bass sounds (amp, effects...) for manybass. Ultimate bass is only a collection of sounds, that needs an extra player
-manybass has only 4 instruments, but very carefully and deeply sampled with variations (fingered, picked...), and to the opposite, ultimate bass has more differents instruments, but the number of samples is smaller, making the sound less precise

MOD EDIT:
Close, but ManyBass has 13 Soundsets, all of which come from the same guitar. This so you can use them all in the same track and the articulations will sound like the same guitar. UBK is similar in terms of all its soundsets also come from 1 guitar, but is a much smaller product with no where near the amount of Samples and details as ManyBass. And as you mention ...yes ManyBass has the VST Instrument to play all the samples, where UBK is a sample/sounds only product. All our sounds will load into ManyBass including the UBK.
I mainly wanted to point out that your statement about it having 4 instruments was not correct.
Paul
END MOD EDIT.

But you'll be able to load the Ultimate Bass sounds into the Manybass player (wich already has its own sounds).

Am I right?

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:43 pm

"A real player"? You mean a virtual instrument?

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:55 pm

ManyBass has 13 soundsets totalling 2.4 GB of 24-bit samples. See here for a detailed listing of the soundsets: http://www.manytone.com (on the homepage's ManyBass announcement, click for "further information" and then at the bottom of the page, take the "Click here to read more about the soundsets" link)

Nrenier is correct in that unlike the Ultimate Bass Kit, ManyBass is a complete virtual instrument with bass effects, amp/cabinet modelling, an advanced keyswitching system, and more.

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:58 am

Hey Greg/Paul,

Are the older bass sets: UBK, AcousticBass Bundle, Basses from ManyGuitar going to be adjusted at all for the advanced features of ManyBass?

Might be nice to have them set up for the keyswitching etc...

Is that a possibility?
I'm guessing that the keyswitching is in the preset not the WusikSND yes?

Regards
Caleb

manytone · Post by **manytone** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:16 am

Hi Caleb

In the case of UBK it is already set up as individual soundsets for each articulation, so it is ready to use via the keyswitches in ManyBass.

As for the Acoustic Basses, we made those so that all the sounds/articulations etc are all in the one soundset for ease of using the various sounds. It does help with making these sets simple to use for those not so experienced with keyswitches or midi cc etc. The Acoustic basses of course, will still load and be fully usable in ManyBass.

Also if any existing user of the Acoustic basses has made songs with the samples in other instruments, they can easily switch out to ManyBass and have all the sounds line up properly etc.

That said though... with the ManyMapper that is included with all our instruments, it is very quick and easy for any user to load up the Acoustic Basses in ManyMapper and simply make individual articulation soundsets, from the large soundsets. Resave each as a new name and you can then use them with the keyswitch method in ManyBass. I think we'll leave this up to the individual users to decide if they want separate soundsets. I sometimes like working with all my sounds in one large mapping as a few others have also mentioned to Greg and I. It may be the best plan to just leave these 2 Acoustics as they are, as all will still work 100% in ManyBass as they are.

Any future new Bass sounds/samples from us, will however be designed to take advantage of the new keyswitching features of ManyBass. (As all the new included ManyBass samples/soundsets are).
Sound alright to you?
Cheers
Paul

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:38 am

Cool - thanks Paul.

I may remap the other two myself. Might also check out the electric basses in ManyGuitar and adjust them for ManyBass keyswitch playback.

Regards
Caleb

BaldByChoice · Post by **BaldByChoice** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:53 am

I just listened through the ManyBass demos - JEEZ!

I can't believe how good it sounds!
I only have one question:
Does ManyBass use alternating/'round robin' samples to avoid the 'machine gun' effect?
If so I'll order it today - I'm totally sold!

Great work guys!

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:12 pm

You have a separate, full range of stacatto notes sampled in every soundset that you can cycle between to avoid the machine gun effect, since when playing fast notes is when the machine gun effect becomes noticable. You have multiple velocity layers in all the note ranges, so that's there, too.

Check out the rock/metal ManyBass demo to hear how the machine gun effect is avoided: http://www.manytone.com/music/manybassdemo3.mp3

BaldByChoice · Post by **BaldByChoice** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:17 pm

Thanks Gregjazz!
Okay, now I'm officially hooked.

Gonna order right away.

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