+1Liquidclear wrote:Wow, that demo is mindblowing. Excellent work, guys!
I take it that the Rhodes is Mr Ray? You da man, Guido!
Miles'tone VST trumpet - Official Release
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- KVRian
- 1480 posts since 14 Jun, 2003
many thanks!!
guido is THE genius, and it doesnt take much emailing with him to realize hes not even aware of it, its kind of like when superheroes forget that the rest of us can't fly.
me, im a guy who was born in pangea and moved, very slowly, to minnesota. i barely speak one language and if i wasnt lucky enough to play these blow things with buttons i wouldnt eat, just ask my friends.
its guidos mr tramp wurlitzer on the demo, i was kinda goin for that 70's progressive rock wurlitzer sound, for instance pink floyd always had their wurlitzer soundin really nice on those albums.
bass is trilogy jaco, drums is groove agent 1.
i had to take like a day to practice, you get a lot of rewards in using the pitch bend just right when its set at full range but on wind synth you do that with your lip and usually i have my synths set to 4 semitones range.
the new gui is great, couldnt like it more! i like having a dark gui onstage a lot!
i especially like having a breath control meter, i wish all vsti's had that. i had a little scare when i first ran it cause breath wasnt doing anything then i figured out thats what the "external" switch does and i was off and running.
wind synths are a lot cheaper than they used to be, wx5 is like 600 i think, lyricon was 3 grand way back when and that was painful not to be able to afford one.
brought my main wx5 into the shop cause my 1st octave up button is getting sluggish, but thats been the only repair in about 7 years of treating it carelessly and dropping it and having it knocked over onstage etc. i have a spare wx5 and an old wx11 they all seem to be good for lasting a long time. over all 3 i think ive only had 2 buttons fixed and its not that bad a repair bill (not that i remember).
theyre easy and fun to play and with vsti's like these they get even more fun!
guido is THE genius, and it doesnt take much emailing with him to realize hes not even aware of it, its kind of like when superheroes forget that the rest of us can't fly.
me, im a guy who was born in pangea and moved, very slowly, to minnesota. i barely speak one language and if i wasnt lucky enough to play these blow things with buttons i wouldnt eat, just ask my friends.
its guidos mr tramp wurlitzer on the demo, i was kinda goin for that 70's progressive rock wurlitzer sound, for instance pink floyd always had their wurlitzer soundin really nice on those albums.
bass is trilogy jaco, drums is groove agent 1.
i had to take like a day to practice, you get a lot of rewards in using the pitch bend just right when its set at full range but on wind synth you do that with your lip and usually i have my synths set to 4 semitones range.
the new gui is great, couldnt like it more! i like having a dark gui onstage a lot!
i especially like having a breath control meter, i wish all vsti's had that. i had a little scare when i first ran it cause breath wasnt doing anything then i figured out thats what the "external" switch does and i was off and running.
wind synths are a lot cheaper than they used to be, wx5 is like 600 i think, lyricon was 3 grand way back when and that was painful not to be able to afford one.
brought my main wx5 into the shop cause my 1st octave up button is getting sluggish, but thats been the only repair in about 7 years of treating it carelessly and dropping it and having it knocked over onstage etc. i have a spare wx5 and an old wx11 they all seem to be good for lasting a long time. over all 3 i think ive only had 2 buttons fixed and its not that bad a repair bill (not that i remember).
theyre easy and fun to play and with vsti's like these they get even more fun!
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- KVRian
- 866 posts since 30 Jul, 2004
It was late at night over here, but I can't believe I mistook Mr Tramp for Mr. Ray! They are both superb models of rather different instruments. Anyway, Tony, you're almost as excessively modest as Guido.
I guess the best testamonial I can give for Miles'tone and Sax'o'phunk was that they motivated me to hunt down a WX5 and start desperately trying to rediscover whatever chops I've got left as a wind player. Sax was my first instrument, but practicing a real one in an apartment is an antisocial act, and I set mine aside in favor of keys/guitars shortly after I moved out of my folks' place.
Tony, you ever see the late great Michael Brecker do the "Itsbynne Reel" on the EWI? It was amazing. It made me appreciate that there was something really musical to be done with wind controllers. But it didn't make me want one the way Miles'tone did (then again, I didn't have as much money for instruments in the days when Brecker was touring "Don't Try This at Home").
I guess the best testamonial I can give for Miles'tone and Sax'o'phunk was that they motivated me to hunt down a WX5 and start desperately trying to rediscover whatever chops I've got left as a wind player. Sax was my first instrument, but practicing a real one in an apartment is an antisocial act, and I set mine aside in favor of keys/guitars shortly after I moved out of my folks' place.
Tony, you ever see the late great Michael Brecker do the "Itsbynne Reel" on the EWI? It was amazing. It made me appreciate that there was something really musical to be done with wind controllers. But it didn't make me want one the way Miles'tone did (then again, I didn't have as much money for instruments in the days when Brecker was touring "Don't Try This at Home").
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- KVRAF
- 8389 posts since 11 Apr, 2003 from back on the hillside again - but now with a garden!
I really liked that demo y'know 
fabulous sound, playing, the lot!
DSP
fabulous sound, playing, the lot!DSP
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- KVRAF
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
Wow Tony you've got all that gear and make great music? I thought Kim/Jeez was the only one!
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
OMG - this is amazing!
I'm not supposed to buying anymore VSTi except for ManyBass, but I'm sick of hearing you come up with insanely good VSTi one after another without me actually donating/buying.
It changes now.
Regards
Caleb
I'm not supposed to buying anymore VSTi except for ManyBass, but I'm sick of hearing you come up with insanely good VSTi one after another without me actually donating/buying.
It changes now.
Regards
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- 2233 posts since 28 Jul, 2003
Has there been any ETA announced for Miles'tone yet?
I did look first, so sorry if I missed it.
I did look first, so sorry if I missed it.
My main tools: Kontakt, Omnisphere, Samplemodeling + Audio Modeling. Unify = godsend. Tari's libraries also rock.
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 16 Jul, 2006
The demo-song Tony made, 'shows' dynamic expressed in volume but not in soundcharacter...
ps.
Although I am incredibly interested in Mr.Ray mII, I wouldn't mind trying the 'trumpet'.
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Although I am incredibly interested in Mr.Ray mII, I wouldn't mind trying the 'trumpet'.
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 16 Jul, 2006
If it's unclear what I meant...
"Like hitting a snare with a stick and hitting it twice as hard, the 'waterwave-punch' gives alot more resonance, as it is with pumping more air through the tube..."
Blowing harder, makes it that more of the 'copper' is part of the actual tone 'displayed'.
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'Of course' higher tones(in octave) will give more resonance too...
"Like hitting a snare with a stick and hitting it twice as hard, the 'waterwave-punch' gives alot more resonance, as it is with pumping more air through the tube..."
Blowing harder, makes it that more of the 'copper' is part of the actual tone 'displayed'.
ps.
'Of course' higher tones(in octave) will give more resonance too...
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 16 Jul, 2006
ooh... I didn't meant 'trumpet' in a negative way
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- KVRian
- 1480 posts since 14 Jun, 2003
That just launches me into my autospeech about physical modeling and how tough it is to program compared to a sampling based approach, or any approach that uses samples at any stage of the process.
in that view i see sampling as cheating, ideally you want a purely mathematical model that in the end sounds and ACTS like a trumpet in the real world.
so in a large way i seperate sound and behavior in looking at these things.
for sound, well people have been telling me "it sounds just like a trumpet" since the korg m1 so theres a huge faction that has no clue about behavior and simply dont care about it.
I'm pretty deep into the other camp that cares more about the way the model interacts when played.
the demo, for instance, is played live with no editing except that i did punch in an ending 8 bars from a warm up take that i liked. thats how milestone sounds when you just close your eyes and play, no thinking about key switching for when you do a shake or for when you do a herb alpert vibrato or for when you half valve or for ghost notes, you just DO it and it does it.
which probably is why people dig it live so much, it feels so natural to play that you play it naturally and that translates to a smooth exciting solo (one hopes).
its been more than 10 years i think since yamahas vl series and nobody has come close in a vsti till now, im glad to declare guido the winner in the who can do it first catagory.
in that view i see sampling as cheating, ideally you want a purely mathematical model that in the end sounds and ACTS like a trumpet in the real world.
so in a large way i seperate sound and behavior in looking at these things.
for sound, well people have been telling me "it sounds just like a trumpet" since the korg m1 so theres a huge faction that has no clue about behavior and simply dont care about it.
I'm pretty deep into the other camp that cares more about the way the model interacts when played.
the demo, for instance, is played live with no editing except that i did punch in an ending 8 bars from a warm up take that i liked. thats how milestone sounds when you just close your eyes and play, no thinking about key switching for when you do a shake or for when you do a herb alpert vibrato or for when you half valve or for ghost notes, you just DO it and it does it.
which probably is why people dig it live so much, it feels so natural to play that you play it naturally and that translates to a smooth exciting solo (one hopes).
its been more than 10 years i think since yamahas vl series and nobody has come close in a vsti till now, im glad to declare guido the winner in the who can do it first catagory.
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 16 Jul, 2006
Tony, you are not replying to me, right?
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 16 Jul, 2006
When you would give the same trumpet to Chet, Dizzy and Miles, you will hear three different trumpets; The part that remain the same is the specific trumpetcharacter and response to the player...
I try to help Guido on his exploration.
Niels
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Although the sound reminded me to Miles, the 'trumpet' is missing...
I try to help Guido on his exploration.
Niels
ps.
Although the sound reminded me to Miles, the 'trumpet' is missing...