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egbert · Post by **egbert** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:02 pm

ddummer wrote:
(4 in 2 out) OR (4 in 4 out) ?

//Daniel

4 into 2.

The signal driving the detector (kick in my above example) is only there to control the behaviour of the compressor compressing the target signal ( the bass in the example above). The kick signal never leaves the sidechain compressor plugin.

There is usually another whole channel devoted to the kick signal so it is already in the mix. The sidechain compressor on the bass channel only affects the volume of the bass channel. This whole idea of sidechain compression is just to create a useful interaction between two channels/instruments.

ddummer · Post by **ddummer** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:05 pm

okeli!

//Daniel

shanecgriffo · Post by **shanecgriffo** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:13 pm

mmm ..just grabbing this plug and giving it a bump. enjoyed reading all the posts too!

novaflash · Post by **novaflash** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:32 am

A feature request :
a by-pass switch, because i use it in a host without VST by-pass feature

wonderful VST

shanecgriffo · Post by **shanecgriffo** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:52 am

have been using this a bit and it is a useful compressor.. i even a/b'd at a mates studio who has the waves ssl set and we were able to get it sounding somewhat similar in character(on a piano anyway) to the seperate ssl compressor from that set. nice work.
Is anyone else still finding this plugin a good one?

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:54 am

Damn straight. I find it very useful, for many things, usually drums with a heavy compression-style effect, but I recall it does sound particularily good on pianos.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:48 am

shanecgriffo wrote:have been using this a bit and it is a useful compressor.. i even a/b'd at a mates studio who has the waves ssl set and we were able to get it sounding somewhat similar in character(on a piano anyway) to the seperate ssl compressor from that set. nice work.
Is anyone else still finding this plugin a good one?

yes.

but I can't understand why on earth one would want it to sound like the SSL bus comp. SSL bus comp is the equivalent of Tesco in compression and sounds like the supermarket shrink wrap it really is. The only thing it can claim to itself is the Porsche effect, i.e., you *think* you have a nice a car when in fact you have a glorified VW buggy (which actually *is* a nice car).

Tls 2095 on the other hand stands on its own merits.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:10 am

Whoa ho! So you'd say all that "glueing together" stuff is just nonsense?

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:29 am

I didn't say that now, did I?

it's just that this particular flavor is rather uninteresting and dull (and also heavily overused). Things have come a long way since that dirt-cheap (not kidding, the parts cost around 50-100 quid) dual VCA compressor was first stuck to those large format mixers.

read: the name brand effect

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm? ... _id=273841

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:15 pm

Kingston wrote:I didn't say that now, did I?

it's just that this particular flavor is rather uninteresting and dull (and also heavily overused). Things have come a long way since that dirt-cheap (not kidding, the parts cost around 50-100 quid) dual VCA compressor was first stuck to those large format mixers.

read: the name brand effect

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm? ... _id=273841

No, you didn't say that, but that's what everyone claims that compressor magically does, and if it's a cheap piece of crap, doesn't that mean people are imagining the glue-together effect?

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:49 pm

bduffy wrote: No, you didn't say that, but that's what everyone claims that compressor magically does, and if it's a cheap piece of crap, doesn't that mean people are imagining the glue-together effect?

No. A non sequitur if ever there was. The quality of constuction doesn't necessary imply anything about the perceived sound.

Remember the Exciter - the effect was discovered by someone who incorrectly wired a cheap kit hifi amplifier. He showed it to a tech savvy friend who decided to investigate what the hell happened.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:59 pm

egbert wrote:
bduffy wrote: No, you didn't say that, but that's what everyone claims that compressor magically does, and if it's a cheap piece of crap, doesn't that mean people are imagining the glue-together effect?
No. A non sequitur if ever there was. The quality of constuction doesn't necessary imply anything about the perceived sound.

Remember the Exciter - the effect was discovered by someone who incorrectly wired a cheap kit hifi amplifier. He showed it to a tech savvy friend who decided to investigate what the hell happened.

A non sequitur? Right, well, I guess I'm not clear on whether Kingston is saying the compressor is any good or not; sounds to me like he's saying it's nothing special, which would make me wonder why people would entrust their entire mixes to run through it. That conclusion could concievably follow from what precedes it. I'm not an electrical engineer, so please excuse my ignorance.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:07 pm

bduffy wrote:
egbert wrote:
bduffy wrote: No, you didn't say that, but that's what everyone claims that compressor magically does, and if it's a cheap piece of crap, doesn't that mean people are imagining the glue-together effect?
No. A non sequitur if ever there was. The quality of constuction doesn't necessary imply anything about the perceived sound.

Remember the Exciter - the effect was discovered by someone who incorrectly wired a cheap kit hifi amplifier. He showed it to a tech savvy friend who decided to investigate what the hell happened.
A non sequitur? Right, well, I guess I'm not clear on whether Kingston is saying the compressor is any good or not; sounds to me like he's saying it's nothing special, which would make me wonder why people would entrust their entire mixes to run through it. That conclusion could concievably follow from what precedes it. I'm not an electrical engineer, so if you'll excuse my ignorance.

A non sequitur? That means it is no use for trimming your roses.
High quality compressors have been around for a long time - any analog radio or TV broadcast has compressed audio for example. Desk compressors IIRC were built into desks to compress the talkback. It just so happens that people like that effect. Guitar speakers which distorted and screwed up the sound were probably originally just cheap shit components but people liked what they did to the sound. Messing the sound up "in a good way" is now what many rock players want.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:14 pm

egbert wrote:
bduffy wrote:
egbert wrote:
bduffy wrote: No, you didn't say that, but that's what everyone claims that compressor magically does, and if it's a cheap piece of crap, doesn't that mean people are imagining the glue-together effect?
No. A non sequitur if ever there was. The quality of constuction doesn't necessary imply anything about the perceived sound.

Remember the Exciter - the effect was discovered by someone who incorrectly wired a cheap kit hifi amplifier. He showed it to a tech savvy friend who decided to investigate what the hell happened.
A non sequitur? Right, well, I guess I'm not clear on whether Kingston is saying the compressor is any good or not; sounds to me like he's saying it's nothing special, which would make me wonder why people would entrust their entire mixes to run through it. That conclusion could concievably follow from what precedes it. I'm not an electrical engineer, so if you'll excuse my ignorance.
A non sequitur? That means it is no use for trimming your roses.
High quality compressors have been around for a long time - any analog radio or TV broadcast has compressed audio for example. Desk compressors IIRC were built into desks to compress the talkback. It just so happens that people like that effect. Guitar speakers which distorted and screwed up the sound were probably originally just cheap shit components but people liked what they did to the sound. Messing the sound up "in a good way" is now what many rock players want.

A rose by any other name...

I get the idea that you don't need the best components to get the best sound. In fact, I find that deeply reassuring. But Kingston appears to be chiding people for wanting the Tbt compressor to sound like the SSL...sigh, I give up.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:23 pm

No sweat MrD - there are contradictions galore in all of this. I don't really see any need to dig at Mr K over this though. He has already stated that he thinks Daniel's compressor deserves to be evaluated on it's own merits and not in terms of how well it clones a particular hardware unit's sound. Seems fair enough to me. The main value of this is to bump the 2095 thread in case anyone doesn't know about this baby. It is a gem - I use it on bass and drums quite a bit and I totally agree with above sentiments about the results on pianos. I have used it on sax and trumpet with pleasing results too.

TLs-2095-LA Released (updated v1.1)