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Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:00 am

Sickle: re: "testicle rack" --> Heheh, I was wondering if someone would notice that.

So... that scheme, more red and gray instead of blue and gold... isn't something you might find inoffensive?

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:03 am

Lunch Money wrote:So... that scheme, more red and gray instead of blue and gold... isn't something you might find inoffensive?

Nah.

Too bad the program sucks tho..

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:07 am

Sickle wrote:Why is there a 'testicle rack' in your project?

You mean that you don't use "Testicle" racks in all your projects???

guitarzan · Post by **guitarzan** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:18 am

Bevoss wrote:
james0tucson wrote:I really like the way Reaper lets you set Time Signature markers. This is something certain other hosts get wrong or don't even allow, and act puzzled when you try to explain why it's important.
Apart from that, it's dead easy to tempo map a freetime song in Reaper...you just play the song through once, and press the keystroke shortcut at the start of every bar...done! Everything matches the grid now.

http://www.cockos.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=21

http://www.cockos.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=22

Cool...I've been looking for a feature like that!! I was waiting to see what XT2 offered over eXT 1.4.1 (now with 75% less features!!

) and I had heard Podium worked well with freetime tempo mapping, but since REAPER has an uncrippled non-time limited trial and only costs $40 for the non-commercial license it wins, for now at least!

Not that it matters at all to me, but I think REAPER looks pretty good with some of the new color themes (that new Cofee and Cream2 theme does look especially useful) ...far better than that Windows 3.11 looking Pro Tools screenshot shown in John Vulich's post IMO.

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:34 am

John Vulich wrote:
Sickle wrote:Why is there a 'testicle rack' in your project?

You mean that you don't use "Testicle" racks in all your projects???

it gives his mix more balls

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:41 am

guitarzan wrote:Not that it matters at all to me, but I think REAPER looks pretty good with some of the new color themes (that new Cofee and Cream2 theme does look especially useful) ...far better than that Windows 3.11 looking Pro Tools screenshot shown in John Vulich's post IMO.

Yeah, I don't get all the concern over the looks of a program. I'm far more concerned about functionality, than I am about looks. If anything I like clean simple GUIs, like ACID Pro and Vegas. I even run Windows in "Classic" mode. Reaper isn't quite as polished looking as those Sony apps, but hopefully, in time, it will evolve in that direction.

Bevoss · Post by **Bevoss** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:48 am

John Vulich wrote:
guitarzan wrote:Not that it matters at all to me, but I think REAPER looks pretty good with some of the new color themes (that new Cofee and Cream2 theme does look especially useful) ...far better than that Windows 3.11 looking Pro Tools screenshot shown in John Vulich's post IMO.
Yeah, I don't get all the concern over the looks of a program. I'm far more concerned about functionality, than I am about looks. If anything I like clean simple GUIs, like ACID Pro and Vegas. I even run Windows in "Classic" mode. Reaper isn't quite as polished looking as those Sony apps, but hopefully, in time, it will evolve in that direction.

Reaper looks heaps better than Sony/Vegas...it's even got an almost identical 'Vegas' skin in the collection somewhere. I'll see if I can post it.

Bevoss · Post by **Bevoss** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:05 am

Here we are:

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:09 am

Yeah, I've seen that one before. Sorry, but for my tastes, it's not as refined looking as ACID Pro And Vegas. Lots of small things, such as stupid wasted space on the toolbar that's on the top left, just bug the shit out of me. It still kind of looks like a work in progress, which is really what it is.

That being said, it's still a great program.

Bevoss · Post by **Bevoss** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:24 am

John Vulich wrote:stupid wasted space on the toolbar that's on the top left

Apparently that's reserved for a configurable toolbar...have faith, my man! Plus I park the performance meter there for now.

Actually I far prefer skinny meters, so Vegas wins there...but that's it for me.

Art Evans · Post by **Art Evans** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:49 am

The toolbar resizes according to the width of TCP you set, and now the buttons resize likewise.

As for "work in progress"- well, progress is preferable to stagnation in my book any time.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:57 am

Cabinfever wrote:So having done a complete Acid rip-off to get the app started, it's now maturing into a Sonar rip-off. Excellent progress. I am morally opposed to this app because of its shameless beginnings.

No you're mistaken there. Reaper was developed as a response to Vegas, not Acid (obviously they have a resemblance being stablemates so I can see how you got that impression - had it myself till I looked deeper) and not as an attempt to shamelessly copy it but rather by people who loved the layout and workflow of the original audio app but felt it had strayed far from it's original vision by becoming focussed on video and rather bloated. There's nothing dishonest about this.

As for the Sonar thing - a lot of Reaper users do seem to be Sonar refugees (not sure why) so maybe that is showing through in some of the skinning attempts (can't see it myself though).

neverfall · Post by **neverfall** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:53 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
As for the Sonar thing - a lot of Reaper users do seem to be Sonar refugees (not sure why) so maybe that is showing through in some of the skinning attempts (can't see it myself though).

I've noticed that a lot myself. I STILL can't exactly understand that one. I don't use Sonar anymore myself, but it's mainly because I've discovered Logic and Live.....both DAWS in my opinion have such a smoother workflow than Sonar. The thing is...I don't really get what Reaper has to offer that Sonar doesn't. Logic has Ultrabeat, Sculpture, the Environment, and DAE/Symphony support. Live is simply amazing at warping samples and it's practically a sequencer/sampler/DJ tool rolled into one. I also still use DP5, but only when scoring to video just because I'm used to it. I can understand the benefits of using these programs over Sonar, but....

Can someone please explain why Reaper should even be mentioned in the same sentence as Sonar? Is it a workflow thing? I mean to go from a pretty damn good $500 DAW to REAPER....and that GUI...

My God. Maybe Sonar really is shit. I don't think I've seen one Logic or Cubase user who REALLY knew the software and switched to Reaper.

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:13 pm

neverfall wrote: My God. Maybe Sonar really is shit. I don't think I've seen one Logic or Cubase user who REALLY knew the software and switched to Reaper.

There are more than a few of those on the Reaper forum too. Granted, some are self professed ex crack users, but a lot are professionals with perfectly legit licenses of those programs too and just find the Reaper way faster, more immediate for what they do. Then there are Sonar, Cubase, Logic, Samplitude users who try Reaper and decide it's not for them, that's all good too. As to the GUI, I like it just fine personally but it just kind of disappear in front of me as I don't really see it when I work, my attention/concentration is on other things, and that's how I want it to be.

neverfall · Post by **neverfall** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:25 pm

bullshark wrote:
neverfall wrote: My God. Maybe Sonar really is shit. I don't think I've seen one Logic or Cubase user who REALLY knew the software and switched to Reaper.
There are more than a few of those on the Reaper forum too. Granted, some are self professed ex crack users, but a lot are professionals with perfectly legit licenses of those programs too and just find the Reaper way faster, more immediate for what they do. Then there are Sonar, Cubase, Logic, Samplitude users who try Reaper and decide it's not for them, that's all good too. As to the GUI, I like it just fine personally but it just kind of disappear in front of me as I don't really see it when I work, my attention/concentration is on other things, and that's how I want it to be.

Funny you should say that because I just edited my post to avoid any "crack" arguments. Found out the hard way that making jokes about cracks when you're not a forum regular can get you banned. Guess I just have a really shitty sense of humor.

But seriously I do find it strange that people who pay $500 for Sonar or $800 for Cubase would ditch those DAWS for Reaper. I'd feel SOME TYPE OF WAY if I paid that much for a DAW only to later find out that a $40 piece of software was the answer to all my prayers. I tried Reaper, and I seriously couldn't see any reason why I'd use it to replace my current DAWS. Then again I once felt the same way about using Live to replace Sonar...

Reaper is not an ugly duckling anymore !