KVR Audio

hseiken · Post by **hseiken** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:29 am

Also, I'd just like to state it's all voted with DOLLARS...the 'improper installs' and 'hangs' of your ubuntu installs are because those people aren't paid by the hardware developers to make working shit. Microsoft is because they know they will have their image on the line with windows, the number 1 accepted OS...which goes back to my point...

Ja.x · Post by **Ja.x** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:52 am

bullshark wrote:Most vendors (Dell etc..) do give you credit when you take a machine without OS, and you can still buy XP pretty much anywhere, even OEM (just buying a mouse or something of similar low value in any computer place will entitle you to an OEM version).

Which ones? Not Toshiba, Asus, Acer, Sony, HP, etc... Dell is indeed the only one I heard about.

Here some people are already placing complaints through a consumers association about the fact that when buying a notebook they are forced to pay for an operating system they don't want.

hseiken · Post by **hseiken** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:58 am

Blah....people will be people..maybe its the government that is broken and microsoft is exploiting that malfunction...like enron did...*sigh*

intel · Post by **intel** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:18 am

hseiken wrote:Have you installed windows recently? It's a pain in the ass compared to ubuntu, which works without even writing it to your hard drive (SERIOUSLY).

not entirely true. I inherited an older box and as an experiment decided to install Linux on it instead of Win 2k. I tried installing four different flavors of Linux (across a total of 7 different builds) and none of them would install due to hardware incompatibility or sheer ass-backwards installation procedures. Ubuntu was among those attempted.

I have a Toshiba laptop that has a faulty motherboard (the IDE read/write is screwed so I can't boot from the hard drive) and I run that on an old Knoppix live cd. it works, but its a complete pain in the ass. sure, for what it is, the Knoppix cd is great. I'd never expect to run Windows live from a cd. but really I'm not impressed by either the OS or the memory footprint. I use the laptop to check my email when I'm away from home -- otherwise it just gathers dust in a bag under my desk.

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:01 am

Does it sound like a Virus?

xander · Post by **xander** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:35 pm

intel wrote:
hseiken wrote:Have you installed windows recently? It's a pain in the ass compared to ubuntu, which works without even writing it to your hard drive (SERIOUSLY).
not entirely true. I inherited an older box and as an experiment decided to install Linux on it instead of Win 2k. I tried installing four different flavors of Linux (across a total of 7 different builds) and none of them would install due to hardware incompatibility or sheer ass-backwards installation procedures. Ubuntu was among those attempted.

I have a Toshiba laptop that has a faulty motherboard (the IDE read/write is screwed so I can't boot from the hard drive) and I run that on an old Knoppix live cd. it works, but its a complete pain in the ass. sure, for what it is, the Knoppix cd is great. I'd never expect to run Windows live from a cd. but really I'm not impressed by either the OS or the memory footprint. I use the laptop to check my email when I'm away from home -- otherwise it just gathers dust in a bag under my desk.

I agree -- I've had similar recent experiences -- esp with ubuntu.

I don't want to start a lot of dialogue with a bunch of linux freaks -- I'm just saying I have not had pleasant experiences with any of those ubuntu releases.

One thing I have noticed in the ubuntu forums is that, if you're not like going in with your hat in hand begging and cowtowing when you need help, you'll get your posts deleted from the forums under the guise of 'Hey -- we do this for free asshole -- so either kiss my penis and bow to the holy penguin or f**k off' kinda thing.

The Wubi forum is a prime example. I posted (quite politely I might add) that Wubi Ubuntu installer will not support monitors whose displays are limited to 1024x762 and the Wubi ghuru deleted all me posts... I guess THAT little issue was supposed to be secret.

So that whole ubuntu/free release/Wubi thing is a pile of choas filled with zit-covered geeks havin their day in the sun (or whatever) by bullying users and releasing garbage experimental patches, add-ons and tweaks that require a $10K Sparc running Xwindows and SunOS 42.9 to work.

... f**k'em & who needs that tripe.

As it goes, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, etc, can't even hold a candle to XPlite or nlite in speed or overall performance for a DAW (and MUCH MUCH less headache). So what's it all about Willy?

hseiken · Post by **hseiken** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:51 pm

FFS, I'm starting to feel like I'm the only mother f**ker in the world who had all my shit work the first try with linux...

hseiken · Post by **hseiken** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:53 pm

btw, intel, what is the pain in the ass about your toshiba? the OS or the faulty motherboard?

hseiken · Post by **hseiken** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:12 pm

http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatcat3-1-1.html

I do have experiences with windows not being very nice either. I was installing a soundcard on a mother board that had a card built in and wanted to issue a cease and desist order to that onboard card and use the one I had bought exclusively. Somehow, the after trying several times to install the driver (which would automagically disappear on the REQUIRED REBOOT), I got it to stay installed...but then, the onboard card kept 'taking priority', i.e. turn on and the card I installed would then have a 'hardware' conflict. Is this nothing like what you experienced in linux?

JUST WORKS, eh? :\

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:36 pm

why didn't you disable it in the bios?

hseiken · Post by **hseiken** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:09 am

windows (and any os, really) has control over these aspects of the bios.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:11 am

No, but if you're installing a vid card, that's a motherboard issue, not an OS one. Whether or not you're installing Windows or Linux, if your onboard video is not going to be used, you need to disable it in BIOS. It's the only "right" way to do it.

robenestobenz · Post by **robenestobenz** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:02 am

Ran into Vista preinstalled on a laptop a friend got recently -- a mid-range core duo laptop with 512mb of ram, and vista ran appallingly slow, even with all visual effects off. Straight back to 2K on this one, I was shocked at how sluggish starting up (got INTO the OS very quick, but that doesn't equal being able to do things) and shutting down was.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:03 am

Lunch Money wrote:No, but if you're installing a vid card, that's a motherboard issue, not an OS one. Whether or not you're installing Windows or Linux, if your onboard video is not going to be used, you need to disable it in BIOS. It's the only "right" way to do it.

exactly.. once its disabled in bios thats it.. I've never had a disabled, onboard anything that was still installable in windows..

that said, theres a setting in there (forget the name) that will let windows manage devices.. but I don't recall ever having to deal with that (at least in XP)

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:11 am

robenestobenz wrote:I was shocked at how sluggish starting up (got INTO the OS very quick, but that doesn't equal being able to do things) and shutting down was.

Thrashing and such after the GUI appears?

Vista, is just a phase