KVR Audio

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:39 pm

Lunch Money wrote:Make sure the poll and pictures aren't custom-made for your purposes. If you approach it objectively, it could be interesting.

My Reaper screenshot vs your Traction screenshot cropped to the area I was talking about:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185377

Bevoss · Post by **Bevoss** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:41 pm

bullshark wrote: I spent last winter recording looong jam sessions (we're talking 4-5 hours non-stop here) in wavpack or mp3 format (tested both, ended using mp3 most times) in what stands as my little studio; since this was only used as reference in case something really interesting and worth pursuing further turned up, lossy didn't really matter but the saved HD space did matter. It's a cool useful feature that works well.

Yes, Justin has really covered all the bases with regard to recording bands or live music...which was his prime focus I think.

I forgot to mention Reatune, which is a VERY accurate tuner I might add, amongst it's audio/midi uses.

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:46 pm

Lunch Money wrote: Definitely sounds like a great feature.

Yeah, I just wish what was recorded on those sessions was just as great but most of it was just junk. Most time it sounded like:

"hey man, got any vodka left?"
"yeah, it's orange juice I don't have anymore"
"still got that banana flavored kool-aid dotcha?"
"you can't be serious, that stuff is disgusting"
"just make sure there's enough vodka so I don't taste it"
"so, vodka on ice then?"
"sounds great!"

Pipelineaudio · Post by **Pipelineaudio** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:53 pm

Banana flavored kool-aid?

shiver

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:53 pm

Mutant wrote:
Lunch Money wrote:Make sure the poll and pictures aren't custom-made for your purposes. If you approach it objectively, it could be interesting.
My Reaper screenshot vs your Traction screenshot cropped to the area I was talking about:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185377

Ergonomics, even if you choose to pick the screeshot that doesn't have controls in there, is about the big picture. You can't crop it to 1" by 1" and still be talking about the visual ergonomics of the entire application. Your poll and the language you choose is intentionally leading, and isn't going to yield interesting results. If you REALLY wanted to make it interesting, we could have come up with a poll together, so that neither of us would have been able to bias it. I mean, I just knew right away that it was going to be misleading, whether you meant it to be or not. I knew that your personal bias would creep into the way it was presented. <shrug>

Greg

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:08 pm

Lunch Money wrote:
Mutant wrote:
Lunch Money wrote:Make sure the poll and pictures aren't custom-made for your purposes. If you approach it objectively, it could be interesting.
My Reaper screenshot vs your Traction screenshot cropped to the area I was talking about:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185377
Ergonomics, even if you choose to pick the screeshot that doesn't have controls in there, is about the big picture. You can't crop it to 1" by 1" and still be talking about the visual ergonomics of the entire application. Your poll and the language you choose is intentionally leading, and isn't going to yield interesting results. If you REALLY wanted to make it interesting, we could have come up with a poll together, so that neither of us would have been able to bias it. I mean, I just knew right away that it was going to be misleading, whether you meant it to be or not. I knew that your personal bias would creep into the way it was presented. <shrug>

Greg

I'm open to suggestions.
What exactly do you want me to change ?
I can post a link to your screenshot with the empty area marked with red outline and my full screen screenshot with the corresponding not entirely empty area marked with red outline.

dirty oscillators · Post by **dirty oscillators** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:11 pm

question: i'm reading through the Reaper user guide and i can't find anywhere that talks about freezing vsti tracks. is this function not found in Reaper?

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:22 pm

dirty oscillators wrote:question: i'm reading through the Reaper user guide and i can't find anywhere that talks about freezing vsti tracks. is this function not found in Reaper?

I don't think it is. You can find some info on workarounds here:

http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10951

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:22 pm

Mutant wrote:I'm open to suggestions.
What exactly do you want me to change ?
I can post a link to your screenshot with the empty area marked with red outline and my full screen screenshot with the corresponding not entirely empty area marked with red outline.

Apparently judging by the other thread, we're past this point, I guess.

dirty oscillators · Post by **dirty oscillators** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:30 pm

shamann wrote:
dirty oscillators wrote:question: i'm reading through the Reaper user guide and i can't find anywhere that talks about freezing vsti tracks. is this function not found in Reaper?
I don't think it is. You can find some info on workarounds here:

http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10951

cool, thanks.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:38 pm

Lunch Money wrote:
Mutant wrote:I'm open to suggestions.
What exactly do you want me to change ?
I can post a link to your screenshot with the empty area marked with red outline and my full screen screenshot with the corresponding not entirely empty area marked with red outline.
Apparently judging by the other thread, we're past this point, I guess.

Hehehe yes we are - I don't care anymore.

But you can do it yourself - just edit your first reply in that other thread (just be sure to post the screenshot that started it all (caused my Yuck response), because all my replies here were caused by it and about it).

btw. Even after you kidding about the physical violence I still think you are a cool guy - just a little bit strange

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:51 pm

You wouldn't be the first to say that....

For the record, though, I would only choose the parking lot over the hotel room. Not over other options, like treating you to a beer at a pub.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:22 pm

Wow, I have missed like four pages of this! Please forgive me if I miss things, and I will, because I'm only going by what I remember reading. And I still haven't gotten to the past page or so.

First of all, I have tested Tracktion, and it runs FINE on a flash drive, as of Tracktion 2. I haven't tested Tracktion 3 yet. The ONLY things it uses the registry for is file association. I have run T2 successfully on my computer at work MANY times to do some editing, right off a flash drive, and without a hitch. Technically not as "portable" as Reaper, but still works fine nonetheless. But for anything serious, there really isn't a great need for the feature. Although it can be handy at times.

If you use the argument that "where is the mixer", you are purely using your own preferences to say that Tracktion doesn't have the features that Reaper does on a full screen view. Plain and simple, there is NOTHING that you can do in Reaper's mixer that you can't do right on the edit page of Tracktion. Mixer? Bleh. Don't need one, and I work much faster without one. It's not a downfall of Tracktion, but rather part of what makes it so great, IMO.

Next, I would prefer Tracktion's way of putting everything in front of you TEN TIMES OVER compared to any screensets. Tracktion doesn't NEED an fx window. It doesn't NEED a routing window(although you CAN use racks, which once again don't ever get in the way). You don't have any need for screensets, period. Tracktion is dynamic. It only puts in front of you what is related to what you are doing. No need to switch windows, no need to hit a hotkey, nothing. It's just there, when you need it, and gone when you don't.

Next, I've NEVER had a problem with recording large amounts of audio. My amounts may be small compared to most, but there have been plenty of users who have used Tracktion for lengthy recordings, no problems. I won't say that it's better or not then Reaper, because I don't really think there is too much of a difference.

As for the other stuff(way too much for me to have time to respond to atm) such as having midi and audio on the same track, etc., Tracktion can do much of it. I will NOT go and say that Tracktion can do everything that Reaper can, but it goes the other way as well.

But here's the point. I don't like Tracktion for the features. It has plenty, and is unique in so many areas. It can match up with most hosts in many areas. But I chose Tracktion because of the way it works. It's there to do what I need it to do. It doesn't get in my way. It doesn't require any open windows(except plugins), no screensets, no ugly, half functional mixer to get in the way, nothing. It reacts to what I am doing, and I don't have to ask it to. There isn't a need for ten thousand options to set. It just works, and it does it very smoothly.

If any user of another host doesn't get that, then they have completely missed my point. This was a post about the Reaper interface, and discussions of what people like or don't like. I use Tracktion as an example because it works PERFECTLY for me.

Any discussion of which app is better is purely opinion, both mine and yours. There have been very little facts displayed here, if any. Even the stuff like "Reaper has the best multi-core support in the industry" are so hard to prove, and likely not even true. It might do some things very well, but statements like that where opinions are stated as facts do nothing to further the discussion. One Reaper user stated above(don't remember who) that there was a bunch of misinformation going on here and he wanted newbies not to get confused. But that goes both ways here. Almost nothing that has been stated is an actual fact, and newbies need to realize that. You say Reaper is better? Great! I say that Tracktion is better. Great! But is it really necessary to prove it to one another?

These days, and for some time now, I don't have time to go back and forth three times every page to discuss or debate everything. So I likely missed a TON of stuff. But if you want to continue this discussion, using pedantics and such, go right ahead. But I won't likely get involved any more. It's so useless for me. This is my first post here today and likely one of my last. I just don't have the energy to keep it up.

So have fun, use the host that suits you, and make some freakin' music! Be thankful for what you have, and stay healthy. That's pretty much what matters anyways, right?

I don't know how much I'll be able to read and post back, but I'll try while I'm at work. I haven't been feeling well. Very low energy lately. And I'm not quite sure why. But I will surely try to check in.

But hey, I'm pretty happy that this post has stayed so respectful and not turned into a flame war.

Brent

Bevoss · Post by **Bevoss** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:39 pm

You are seriously letting the team down Brent, that wasn't even a page...

alex zonder · Post by **alex zonder** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:52 pm

Bevoss wrote:You are seriously letting the team down Brent, that wasn't even a page...

Well for someone with 'very low energy' it ain't too bad, but -

Brent, after a good and long night of sleep and a glorious rise 'n shine tomorrow we expect a novella of reasonable length on the issue in about 16 hours from now.

Issue... what issue? Anyway, I'll read all about it tomorrow.

Reaper is not an ugly duckling anymore !