anyone else feel guilty about using samples?
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- KVRAF
- 2249 posts since 6 May, 2003 from rat city au
fwiw, I believe more people should use "illegal" samples, kind of a mass passive resistance to bullshit copyright law.
but then again i believe in free public education and the right to f**k whom you like among consenting adults, among other things, so
but then again i believe in free public education and the right to f**k whom you like among consenting adults, among other things, so
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Stupid American Pig Stupid American Pig https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4753 - KVRAF
- 7065 posts since 25 Nov, 2002 from not sure
well every one uses samples.(drum hits etc) I think a more appropriate way to phrase this is:
does anyone else feel guilty about sampling other peoples compositions/productions?
and IMHO its sorta like an athlete taking steroids, it can get you results quickly, but its cheating and if you get caught, you can be penalized...
I think sampling has led to a compositional creative void as people want others to do the composing(hardpart) for them.
does anyone else feel guilty about sampling other peoples compositions/productions?
and IMHO its sorta like an athlete taking steroids, it can get you results quickly, but its cheating and if you get caught, you can be penalized...
I think sampling has led to a compositional creative void as people want others to do the composing(hardpart) for them.
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Mac of BIOnighT Mac of BIOnighT https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=70598 - KVRAF
- 2521 posts since 3 Jun, 2005 from Italy
My point exactly (at least we're gonna be killed together)Stupid American Pig wrote:well every one uses samples.(drum hits etc) I think a more appropriate way to phrase this is:
does anyone else feel guilty about sampling other peoples compositions/productions?
and IMHO its sorta like an athlete taking steroids, it can get you results quickly, but its cheating and if you get caught, you can be penalized...
I think sampling has led to a compositional creative void as people want others to do the composing(hardpart) for them.
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- KVRian
- 1298 posts since 11 Jun, 2004 from dublin
i can't say i agree. I believe creative sampling can create compositions that would not be possible using any other 'instrumental process'. i repeat, sampling is not looping! real sampling is an aesthetic choice, not a shortcut to compositional structure. take symptohm, krishna, or any other granular or wavetable-type generators....sure they're categorized as synths, but imo i would consider them samplers...they have the ability to use pre-recorded audio as a sound generator.....that's sampling to meStupid American Pig wrote:well every one uses samples.(drum hits etc) I think a more appropriate way to phrase this is:
does anyone else feel guilty about sampling other peoples compositions/productions?
and IMHO its sorta like an athlete taking steroids, it can get you results quickly, but its cheating and if you get caught, you can be penalized...
I think sampling has led to a compositional creative void as people want others to do the composing(hardpart) for them.
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NotTheCommonDose NotTheCommonDose https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=107520
- KVRian
- 792 posts since 16 May, 2006 from Oswego/Babylon NY
If you take a sample and turn it into something altogether creatively different then it's cool. Make the sample something else and you're not really using somebody else's stuff. It's all about using your judgement and how you want to be seen in the eyes of others. Are you a creative genius or another wannabe musician?
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Touch_the_Universe Touch_the_Universe https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=107005
- Banned
- 128 posts since 10 May, 2006
I say use all the samples you want. But don't fool yourself in thinking you are a producer by mixing some premade loops,guitars, vocals together. I know someone who was messing with apple garageband and was convinced he was a genious producer by using all the loops. It tooke but 2 minutes to put together But I think sparingly, if they are quality, then its okay too, especially if you pay for them yeah..
But I think sparingly, if they are quality, then its okay too, especially if you pay for them yeah.. -
- KVRAF
- 5017 posts since 13 Dec, 2005 from The Void
no guilt.
Jens, "B.t.w.: it appears I was wrong"
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- KVRist
- 275 posts since 28 May, 2003 from Pirkanmaa, Finland
* use CC samples
* use free samples
* use either as oneshots
* contribute to them
Think you're not sampling but supporting the community. (or something)
* Or sample yourself
If you feel guilty from sampling yourself, the sampling isn't your problem.
And what comes to those loops we get with the sequencers etc.. I think them as toys. And toys should be fun. And what could be more fun than breaking a unfun toy!
(btw - I haven't used any drumhits yet
oh, coffee. ->
* use free samples
* use either as oneshots
* contribute to them
Think you're not sampling but supporting the community. (or something)
* Or sample yourself
If you feel guilty from sampling yourself, the sampling isn't your problem.
And what comes to those loops we get with the sequencers etc.. I think them as toys. And toys should be fun. And what could be more fun than breaking a unfun toy!
(btw - I haven't used any drumhits yet
oh, coffee. ->
[ When chickens are cold, they roost in trees; when ducks are cold, they plunge into water ]
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- KVRAF
- 3125 posts since 6 Dec, 2002 from Ljubljana/ Slovenia
eh, this one comes up once a year or so...
If you're not a hobbyist it looks like that:
*** scenario "drum loops" ***
a) there's a limited amount of money per project
b) if there's enough $ you hire a drummer
c) if there isn't you either - 1) use loops, 2) earn less $ 3) ask for extra
now the trick is knowing how much of $ you want to keep.
The way I do it: I send the client a demo and if it's alright with them that's it, if not - I charge extra for drums/guitar/fancier keyboard parts...
k
p.s.: no guilt whatsoever
edit: for my stuff I use combination of programmed and live drums, but I have a few very good drummers around and they'd always do it for free for me (and I'd always get them paid jobs for commercials and sessions)
If you're not a hobbyist it looks like that:
*** scenario "drum loops" ***
a) there's a limited amount of money per project
b) if there's enough $ you hire a drummer
c) if there isn't you either - 1) use loops, 2) earn less $ 3) ask for extra
now the trick is knowing how much of $ you want to keep.
The way I do it: I send the client a demo and if it's alright with them that's it, if not - I charge extra for drums/guitar/fancier keyboard parts...
k
p.s.: no guilt whatsoever
edit: for my stuff I use combination of programmed and live drums, but I have a few very good drummers around and they'd always do it for free for me (and I'd always get them paid jobs for commercials and sessions)
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- KVRian
- 1358 posts since 15 Oct, 2005 from The Far North
'Musicians' would want you to feel that way, but don't listen to themthesecession wrote:I just got a macbook and realized its possible to make really impressive and unique tracks just using a few apple loops from garage band. I know amon tobin and a lot of hip hop artists purely use samples and loops. I feel guilty even if i use a single sample. should i be?
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- KVRAF
- 3125 posts since 6 Dec, 2002 from Ljubljana/ Slovenia
No, not musicians. The "I roll my own, everybody should, too" type.aallvor wrote:'Musicians' would want you to feel that way, but don't listen to themthesecession wrote:I just got a macbook and realized its possible to make really impressive and unique tracks just using a few apple loops from garage band. I know amon tobin and a lot of hip hop artists purely use samples and loops. I feel guilty even if i use a single sample. should i be?
k