What I think about ET......

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ZombyWoof wrote:I think their web page is clear enough. They deliver a Wusikengine v1/v2 VSTi and the ET samples. They say that their soundsets are compatible with WusikStation, ManyStation, et al.
There is no mention of presets that I see, and those presets are what seem to be causing the problem now, probably because they were not created using the ET VSTi. This is strictly a blind technical guess. If so, the problem will be easily solved with correctly made presets.
If I try to load certain WS4 presets into WS2 or WS3, I see similar issues.
ZombiWoof,
this is exactly where the issue is : tell me if I'm wrong, but they do NOT say anywhere on ET's page that only the "soundsets" are WS compatible and that their player is a requirement for trouble-free use. The page is vague, flies very fast above this topic, and in two well-wrapped sentences, the naive guy (me) is compelled to read that it's okay for him.
And don't get me wrong, this is far from being my first purchase, so even though I'm not a PC expert, I usually know at least how to read the "requirements".... So if tomorrow I see an annoucement for a terrific library, which is advertised as "wavs or aiff samples with some compatibility for k2", I will NOT buy it, because I know it will take forever for me to convert and tweak. If I see the same terrific library clearly announced as developed for K2 (or even K1 for that matter), I may be interested. That's the kind of minimal but doubtless information which is required -but not provided- here.
The WS VSTi engine offer is very much alike the Kompakt engine offer which comes with so many today's libraries : you may very well have a kompakt player bundled witht the lib, it does not prevent you in any way from loading all those nkis into your K2 copy, without the slightest problem.
Kontakt will read them like a breeze, and only the newest features may be not available to you if you do so (I can say this easily, I own and use a lot of them) And for some of those libraries, when K2 is required, it is VERY obviously stated on the company's page.
In the same way, it should have been made very obvious for the dumb guy (me if you like) that only the company's VSTi was able to use the lib without any effort from the user. PLUS, we are here talking about a library which comes in a SINGLE format : WS... Other companies undertake the huge task to deliver their libs into Kontakt, Giga, EXS, sometimes Halion, and Emu.... with all the intricacies that those sophisticated formats imply. Is it too much of an assumption to suppose that for just one format, which is very basic (no midi rules, no scripting, no keyswitching, no roundrobin/alternates....) at least the 100% compatibility of ****presets***** across the various versions is supported by the company (and preferably BEFORE release ?
I spent thousands on samples and softs in some 10 years, and this is really the first time ever that I face such a situation, where I cannot use the library for a compatibilty problem, and where almost peanuts in -so far unusable- presets (60 for more than 2 gigs) is provided.

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this is exactly where the issue is : tell me if I'm wrong, but they do NOT say anywhere on ET's page that only the "soundsets" are WS compatible and that their player is a requirement for trouble-free use.
Actually I think this is exactly what they claim. I didn't read anything about presets as a part of the package, at least on that product page. Did I miss something? I personally like their TSL templates idea for this type of product, although it does involve a little work on the user's part.

I suggest we sit back and see what Karma comes up with, and maybe you get some word tomorrow. I feel that I am just making a bad situation worse by trying to explain what I think is happening with the presets. From reading the thread more closely, it seems that incorrect preparation of presets as a probable cause also seems to be the opinion of others. What the hell do I know anyway? I respectfully leave this discussion now.

ZW

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Has anyone tried the presets I presented for download?

I don't want to continue if they do not work as well, so I need some user input here.

I no longer have a V2 copy of Wusik, so I would have to ask William for a copy of that to do V2-compatible presets.

Let me look at my emails to see if I still have a V2 download link.

Mike

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Karma,

The presets load in W4. But the digi preset gives me no sound. I get Searching Missing file for each preset. The rest give me sound once they load but the Big Digi gives me nothing.

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Big Digi was done in V4, the rest in V3. The searching/missing sound files is simply that my sound path is probably (and most likely) different than yours and other people - but since Wusik automatically searches (cannot remember if that feature was around in V2?), this should not be a problem.

Do all the guitar presets work, though, because those were made with the most stable current version of Wusik V3?

Mike

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I get sound from all the guitar patches. I do not get sound from the Big Digi preset.

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Sirbellog,

Try this:

http://www.hermannseib.com/english/savihost.htm

Use that to run Wusik V3 and try out the five presets (the guitar ones, ignore the digi one - it was made with V4 and I mistakenly included it in that .rar file).

If it still crashes savihost then something is truly wacky here.

Mike

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im cofused... i was looking into buying et...

i know i can always use the included VSTi, but can i use the presets with wusik v3? Does everything work ok in v3 or is it just v4 thats the problem...or do the presets work in v4 but not v3....? :?

i already have TSW but i dont use the included players, it'd be nice if i could keep everything together in my V3 library...

:ud:

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WoJ,

As a product goes, the Ethnotronics samples (wusikSND files) are top quality, so feel free to buy this with confidence. It is the presets that are being questioned.

For now, you will have to use their TSW of Vox'd vsti's or the one included with your Ethnotronics purchase - whatever it is they give you.

William has either figured out or will figure out how to convert their presets into working presets for V2/V3/V4 and then provide that back to BITR, from what I have read through posts in multiple forums.

I am also (and perhaps others) creating presets as well, and as those get finished I will upload them either to Julia at BITR or on my own server for all of you to download.

Mike

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I'm delighted....
Or I suppose I am...... :lol:
Indeed, like by magic, all my problems with ET have been solved.
Well, at least I assume it MUST be so, or else, why would I have changed the title of my topic, removing from it every word which might lead anyone to think that I have trouble with it, preventing me to use the lib so far.
In fact, I only suppose I changed the title : okay, I don't recall having done so, but since it's not the same as yesterday any more, I probably did it sometime...... :D
Or did someone do it for me...? :roll: Would it be possible ??
:?:
That being said, and more seriously, the mysterious hand/mind which felt free to make for me those "politically correct" modifications did forget once again, or found inapropriate, for some reason which remains obscure to me, to answer the only simple question that could have helped me use ET at last, for the 1st time in more than 2 weeks since my purchase :
For those who are curious, I re-state this question (without any big hope for an official reply, but):
is it possible to install the old TSW player on the same machine as WS3 (and of course have both running fine) ?

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sirbellog,

From what I understand, the answer is YES. I have heard many people running V1, V2 and V3 (and even V4) separately with no problems.

However, I cannot implore you enough to go to the wusik forum here at KVR and ask this very question for a very quick precise answer from Williamk, whose customer support is nearly second to none.

Now, one thing you have not done is tell me if my suggestions worked for you. Did you download savihost and try it out? Did you try my guitar presets? If all you do is rant here, it will just go on for ever. Let's just spend 10% of our time on the challenge and 90% of our time on solving the challenge. Fair enough?

Mike

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Karmacomposer wrote:sirbellog,
Now, one thing you have not done is tell me if my suggestions worked for you. Did you download savihost and try it out? Did you try my guitar presets? If all you do is rant here, it will just go on for ever. Let's just spend 10% of our time on the challenge and 90% of our time on solving the challenge. Fair enough?
Mike
Hey man, calm down : as I told you in my pm, I was not at my music PC and found your instructions when I was already away from home. I even took the time to let you know about this....
So, even with the best intentions, it was impossible for me to say what you do.......
Hence, please let me go back home, eat quickly a banana while my PC is booting, and do what you told. As soon as I have done this, you'll be the 1st one to know.
Does it sound acceptable to you ?
I suerely don't rant by pleasure, and I challenge you to find a lot of posts from me in any forum, which might tell the opposite....
And about my technical question, for the record, I would have liked to get the answer from the BITR support guy rather than going to naother forum(it is their player, is'nt it ?) It was a very small request IMHO, and I think that I would have had this kind of product related reply very soon anywhere else....

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is it possible to install the old TSW player on the same machine as WS3 (and of course have both running fine)?
That's exactly what I spent a hour testing for you yesterday. Remember? It works.

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Sirbellog,

I'm as calm as can be. Just trying to solve your challenge. I have no bleepin idea why BITR takes so long to reply - I am assuming either language barrier or technology restraints.

However, in this case, William of Wusik is EXACTLY the man to ask because he created the darn thing and his tech support is phenomenal. BITR is just licensing it - they have no idea of the inner workings of wusik - which is the synth that BITR bases their soundsets on. Hence why I implored you to ask him. You'll get a fast and easy answer from him and other knowledgeable individuals (like Zombywoof) who are all attempting to help you as best possible.

Now, I am calmly and collectively asking you, when you have time and have finished your fruit and beverages, put your slippers on, got all nice and comfy in your easy chair, having watched your favorite TV show, to try my suggestions above and, if they work, to please go to KVR and the BITR forum and reply so I may know if it helped you. Now, don't get too stressed out because we're all friends here and I would hate to upset you any further.

Mike

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Strange, I gave BITR a set of new WusikPRST V2 presets, that here loads on both V2 and the latest V4 without problems. So I don't get why this haven't been resolved already. :shrug:

Here are the files:
http://www.wusik.com/download/ETPresets1.zip

Edit: ahh, one mistake. Some of the presets I sent to Klaus were in V4 format, sadly. The file above has ALL V2 presets, that loads in V4. Could someone email this to Klaus? I just tried and the email bounced back saying it was spam. :?

Wk
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