honestly why do people debate the sound quality of a host?

[deep'n'dark]

Well - pan laws are one thing - but is it possible that some hosts have tiny EQ cutting thingy going on which cuts at 250HZ and at other critical freqs a bit so it automatically sounds better to you or they add tiny boost to some freqs that make it sounds "better".

How about mixing engine - i think that audioengine is mixing things together and in mixing engine there could be differences. So far i can tell that there's not many differences between my tested audio files but the more sounds i use the more differences i hear.

My bottom line anyhow is that there shouldn't be any host that can't produce TOP-NOTCH music.

[metamorphosis]

Ive always found that the sound of any host can be affected by reading KVR

+1

[jupiter8]

Well - pan laws are one thing - but is it possible that some hosts have tiny EQ cutting thingy going on which cuts at 250HZ and at other critical freqs a bit so it automatically sounds better to you or they add tiny boost to some freqs that make it sounds "better".

Now this is exactly the kind of unsubstancied bullshit that makes my blood boil. This is the reason why sometimes i loose my temper and start questioning the sanity of those makes those claims. Not pretty i know but i'm only human.

First of all there's no such thing as a universal eq setting that'll make everything sound better. And why on earth would someone implement something like that without telling anyone ? I sure as hell would like to know if they mess with my audio.
And it is so easy to chack if that's really the case and for the hundredth time: we've done it and there's no difference.

How about mixing engine - i think that audioengine is mixing things together and in mixing engine there could be differences. So far i can tell that there's not many differences between my tested audio files but the more sounds i use the more differences i hear.

Yeah,there's just so many different ways you can add stuff together. Like add them and..........what ?
That mythical "summingengine" is just that. A bunch of additions. Funny how they can program a fully functioning host and then mess up something like a couple of additions.Addition isn't exactly rocket science. Again:we tested this and there's no difference

How bloody hard is that to get ?

[deep'n'dark]

Well - pan laws are one thing - but is it possible that some hosts have tiny EQ cutting thingy going on which cuts at 250HZ and at other critical freqs a bit so it automatically sounds better to you or they add tiny boost to some freqs that make it sounds "better".

Now this is exactly the kind of unsubstancied bullshit that makes my blood boil. This is the reason why sometimes i loose my temper and start questioning the sanity of those makes those claims. Not pretty i know but i'm only human.

First of all there's no such thing as a universal eq setting that'll make everything sound better. And why on earth would someone implement something like that without telling anyone ? I sure as hell would like to know if they mess with my audio.
And it is so easy to chack if that's really the case and for the hundredth time: we've done it and there's no difference.

How about mixing engine - i think that audioengine is mixing things together and in mixing engine there could be differences. So far i can tell that there's not many differences between my tested audio files but the more sounds i use the more differences i hear.

Yeah,there's just so many different ways you can add stuff together. Like add them and..........what ?
That mythical "summingengine" is just that. A bunch of additions. Funny how they can program a fully functioning host and then mess up something like a couple of additions.Addition isn't exactly rocket science. Again:we tested this and there's no difference

How bloody hard is that to get ?

don't get uppset now, ive made tests and there's differences between audio files. also i notice that some sound sounds very phat that i need to cut it down to fit my mix while in Reason as example i never get too much low end out of the same patch and if you are daw maker i believe you 100% but i believe that you are just ordinary user having an opinion. Trust me i believe that there's something changed between reason 3 and 4 related to the sound and i'm not gonna argue about it cos it's pointless, and my tests i've done prove me that there's tiny differences between host's sound. So why should i not believe what i believe.

[jupiter8]

Well - pan laws are one thing - but is it possible that some hosts have tiny EQ cutting thingy going on which cuts at 250HZ and at other critical freqs a bit so it automatically sounds better to you or they add tiny boost to some freqs that make it sounds "better".

Now this is exactly the kind of unsubstancied bullshit that makes my blood boil. This is the reason why sometimes i loose my temper and start questioning the sanity of those makes those claims. Not pretty i know but i'm only human.

First of all there's no such thing as a universal eq setting that'll make everything sound better. And why on earth would someone implement something like that without telling anyone ? I sure as hell would like to know if they mess with my audio.
And it is so easy to chack if that's really the case and for the hundredth time: we've done it and there's no difference.

How about mixing engine - i think that audioengine is mixing things together and in mixing engine there could be differences. So far i can tell that there's not many differences between my tested audio files but the more sounds i use the more differences i hear.

Yeah,there's just so many different ways you can add stuff together. Like add them and..........what ?
That mythical "summingengine" is just that. A bunch of additions. Funny how they can program a fully functioning host and then mess up something like a couple of additions.Addition isn't exactly rocket science. Again:we tested this and there's no difference

How bloody hard is that to get ?

don't get uppset now, ive made tests and there's differences between audio files. also i notice that some sound sounds very phat that i need to cut it down to fit my mix while in Reason as example i never get too much low end out of the same patch and if you are daw maker i believe you 100% but i believe that you are just ordinary user having an opinion. Trust me i believe that there's something changed between reason 3 and 4 related to the sound and i'm not gonna argue about it cos it's pointless, and my tests i've done prove me that there's tiny differences between host's sound. So why should i not believe what i believe.

Well duhhh. We're discussing DAWs here. You know programs that can playback audiofiles (and no,a sampler does'nt count).
Discussing the sound of Reason is just pointless as it is the sound of the synths/samplers you discuss not the soundquality of the app itself. For all we know they could have changed the code in the synths/samplers between each revision but that's not what were disussing here.

[nuffink]

Well - pan laws are one thing - but is it possible that some hosts have tiny EQ cutting thingy going on which cuts at 250HZ and at other critical freqs a bit so it automatically sounds better to you or they add tiny boost to some freqs that make it sounds "better".

Now this is exactly the kind of unsubstancied bullshit that makes my blood boil. This is the reason why sometimes i loose my temper and start questioning the sanity of those makes those claims. Not pretty i know but i'm only human.

First of all there's no such thing as a universal eq setting that'll make everything sound better. And why on earth would someone implement something like that without telling anyone ? I sure as hell would like to know if they mess with my audio.
And it is so easy to chack if that's really the case and for the hundredth time: we've done it and there's no difference.

How about mixing engine - i think that audioengine is mixing things together and in mixing engine there could be differences. So far i can tell that there's not many differences between my tested audio files but the more sounds i use the more differences i hear.

Yeah,there's just so many different ways you can add stuff together. Like add them and..........what ?
That mythical "summingengine" is just that. A bunch of additions. Funny how they can program a fully functioning host and then mess up something like a couple of additions.Addition isn't exactly rocket science. Again:we tested this and there's no difference

How bloody hard is that to get ?

don't get uppset now, ive made tests and there's differences between audio files. also i notice that some sound sounds very phat that i need to cut it down to fit my mix while in Reason as example i never get too much low end out of the same patch and if you are daw maker i believe you 100% but i believe that you are just ordinary user having an opinion. Trust me i believe that there's something changed between reason 3 and 4 related to the sound and i'm not gonna argue about it cos it's pointless, and my tests i've done prove me that there's tiny differences between host's sound. So why should i not believe what i believe.

You can believe what you like. But like a kiddie in the playground screaming one plus one equals five, you shouldn't expect to be taken seriously. Unlike that kiddie, though, you don't have the excuse of being a child.

[deep'n'dark]

Well - pan laws are one thing - but is it possible that some hosts have tiny EQ cutting thingy going on which cuts at 250HZ and at other critical freqs a bit so it automatically sounds better to you or they add tiny boost to some freqs that make it sounds "better".

Now this is exactly the kind of unsubstancied bullshit that makes my blood boil. This is the reason why sometimes i loose my temper and start questioning the sanity of those makes those claims. Not pretty i know but i'm only human.

First of all there's no such thing as a universal eq setting that'll make everything sound better. And why on earth would someone implement something like that without telling anyone ? I sure as hell would like to know if they mess with my audio.
And it is so easy to chack if that's really the case and for the hundredth time: we've done it and there's no difference.

How about mixing engine - i think that audioengine is mixing things together and in mixing engine there could be differences. So far i can tell that there's not many differences between my tested audio files but the more sounds i use the more differences i hear.

Yeah,there's just so many different ways you can add stuff together. Like add them and..........what ?
That mythical "summingengine" is just that. A bunch of additions. Funny how they can program a fully functioning host and then mess up something like a couple of additions.Addition isn't exactly rocket science. Again:we tested this and there's no difference

How bloody hard is that to get ?

don't get uppset now, ive made tests and there's differences between audio files. also i notice that some sound sounds very phat that i need to cut it down to fit my mix while in Reason as example i never get too much low end out of the same patch and if you are daw maker i believe you 100% but i believe that you are just ordinary user having an opinion. Trust me i believe that there's something changed between reason 3 and 4 related to the sound and i'm not gonna argue about it cos it's pointless, and my tests i've done prove me that there's tiny differences between host's sound. So why should i not believe what i believe.

You can believe what you like. But like a kiddie in the playground screaming one plus one equals five, you shouldn't expect to be taken seriously. Unlike that kiddie, though, you don't have the excuse of being a child.

yeah keep posting bullshit.

[nuffink]

yeah keep posting bullshit.

The only bullshit I posted was copied and pasted from your last post.

[deep'n'dark]

yeah keep posting bullshit.

The only bullshit I posted was copied and pasted from your last post.

word against word - nothing else - like i said i've made tests and that's only reason why i believe what i believe.

[Kingston]

I was hoping this thread would be a simple statement by all to put rest to the summing debate. great idea.

but then the idiots start to come out of the woodwork. again.



looks like you guys have made it all the way to pan laws. ride on!

[nuffink]

yeah keep posting bullshit.

The only bullshit I posted was copied and pasted from your last post.

word against word - nothing else - like i said i've made tests and that's only reason why i believe what i believe.

It's nothing to do with word against word, we've all made the tests. I've been involved in at least four threads which have ended in nulling tests on kvr. Without exception the've shown no differences above any conceivable noise floor.

If you've made such tests and proven otherwise, paste the results.

[deep'n'dark]

yeah keep posting bullshit.

The only bullshit I posted was copied and pasted from your last post.

word against word - nothing else - like i said i've made tests and that's only reason why i believe what i believe.

It's nothing to do with word against word, we've all made the tests. I've been involved in at least four threads which have ended in nulling tests on kvr. Without exception the've shown no differences above any conceivable noise floor.

If you've made such tests and proven otherwise, paste the results.

i already did on page 6 or 7.

[Meffy]

*ponder* Could someone invert this thread and null it against a previous host flamewar thread?

[mellotronaut]

Ive always found that the sound of any host can be affected by reading KVR

+1

of course...remember tuning cars

[jupiter8]

yeah keep posting bullshit.

The only bullshit I posted was copied and pasted from your last post.

word against word - nothing else - like i said i've made tests and that's only reason why i believe what i believe.

It's nothing to do with word against word, we've all made the tests. I've been involved in at least four threads which have ended in nulling tests on kvr. Without exception the've shown no differences above any conceivable noise floor.

If you've made such tests and proven otherwise, paste the results.

He's still just comparing two versions of Reason against eachother. I fail to see what that has to do with this discussion.