VSTis as good as hardware? Similar to Access Virus Quality?

[OffTopic]

As always: all sorts of people have claimed once more that certain VSTs could easily reproduce the Virus sound. Without actually proving it. The Virus A anyway never was the benchmark, any serious contender has to come up against the TI.

[D-Fusion]

As always: all sorts of people have claimed once more that certain VSTs could easily reproduce the Virus sound. Without actually proving it. The Virus A anyway never was the benchmark, any serious contender has to come up against the TI.

Well that is true but so far there has'nt been any Virus owners that has been willing to post a sound example of a sound that they say is impossible to recreate with a vsti

Bring on the Virus examples and then we can talk

[Urs]

As always: all sorts of people have claimed once more that certain VSTs could easily reproduce the Virus sound. Without actually proving it. The Virus A anyway never was the benchmark, any serious contender has to come up against the TI.

You claimed first that softsynths can't sound like the Virus. According to you they were lacking certain attributes.

Come on. Post one sound. Just one sound that has the attributes you say a softsynth can't have.

If you can't, that would render your statement void.

[OffTopic]

As always: all sorts of people have claimed once more that certain VSTs could easily reproduce the Virus sound. Without actually proving it. The Virus A anyway never was the benchmark, any serious contender has to come up against the TI.

Well that is true but so far there has'nt been any Virus owners that has been willing to post a sound example of a sound that they say is impossible to recreate with a vsti

Bring on the Virus examples and then we can talk

I think I already linked to some examples, but the easiest is to go to their website, e.g.: http://www.access-mirror.de/~files/Pres ... k_Side.mp3
Any serious contender would not just pick one sound but ought to systematically go through such patches and match e.g. a third of them.

[parke02]

Here are some presets from the Virus TI

http://eugenepark81.googlepages.com/virusti.mp3

[Dewaine]

OffTopic, the examples for the site are impressive... but really, I think Sylenth1 and/or Zebra 2 could get "close" and in some cases better... what really is hard to argue with is there list of users... I mean...wow.... what can you say to a list like that? I mean just about any major band with a synth uses a Virus... but, if I were Linkin Park for example, I would not screw around with a VSTi and would buy expensive hardware... but I AM NOT Linkin Park so Sylenth1 and Zebra 2 works

parke02.... To my ears those presets were not that big of a deal, and yes I am sure someone could make them in Sylenth1....

And last but not least my opinion on this whole subject.... If you want the Virus sound, then buy a Virus. Save up the cash, go in debt... whatever... just do it. If you want the Albino sound, Zebra sound, Sylenth1 sound...etc... then buy them. I mean really.... they are all good, and each is excellent. They are different because that gives us choice. If they were all clones of something else.... what would be the point? Each is a unique instrument, and should be judged as such.... (climbs off soapbox)........

[OffTopic]

OffTopic, the examples for the site are impressive... but really, I think Sylenth1 and/or Zebra 2 could get "close" and in some cases better...

Dewaine, the thing is that I've often heard these claims, but the examples that were supposed to give evidence often are disappointing. Regarding the sound examples on the Virus website the Dark_Side might well be suited for Sylenth1 and Zebra2 and possibly Massive, whereas the softsynth that comes to my mind listening to the Bright_Side examples actually is Cameleon. So, yes, some softsynths are close...

[bmanic]

The hardest thing to match in some of the examples is the shape of the filter/amplitude/pitch envelopes. They have a pretty unique shape somehow. All the "ticking" sounds and the typical "low cutoff, high filter envelope gain, short staccato decay thingy with moderate to low resonance" trancey sounds are quite hard to do well with softsynths. I've tried for quite a while in Sytrus to come close to these kinds of ticking sounds but it's very hard.

I remember there being an example from a virus, with the exact midi file posted, for people to try and mimic on softsynths. It had that typical ticking character and a phaser/flanger which made it almost impossible to match. I think Gol/tonytony chopper (aka, the developer of FL Studio/Sytrus) came the closest. He almost nailed the ticking character but the flanger/phaser was off. It also was a bit "thinner" sounding overall (less distortion? less harmonics of the fundamental?).

Anybody got a link to that old thread?

Cheers!
bManic

[D-Fusion]

The hardest thing to match in some of the examples is the shape of the filter/amplitude/pitch envelopes. They have a pretty unique shape somehow. All the "ticking" sounds and the typical "low cutoff, high filter envelope gain, short staccato decay thingy with moderate to low resonance" trancey sounds are quite hard to do well with softsynths. I've tried for quite a while in Sytrus to come close to these kinds of ticking sounds but it's very hard.

I remember there being an example from a virus, with the exact midi file posted, for people to try and mimic on softsynths. It had that typical ticking character and a phaser/flanger which made it almost impossible to match. I think Gol/tonytony chopper (aka, the developer of FL Studio/Sytrus) came the closest. He almost nailed the ticking character but the flanger/phaser was off. It also was a bit "thinner" sounding overall (less distortion? less harmonics of the fundamental?).

Anybody got a link to that old thread?

Cheers!
bManic

I think it is in here somewhere (Page 9 or something)

Found it:
Page 11, but the link is'nt working anymore

[ew]

Hard to understand?

I don't know; is it?

The question was, can you make the other synth sound like a Virus 's given patch. Parameter matching and the like have jack to do with it; do you listen to parameters, after all?

But then again, you also claim that Yamaha uses intelligent aliasing, so I'll take your statement with that in mind...

ew

[gsoto]

The hardest thing to match in some of the examples is the shape of the filter/amplitude/pitch envelopes. They have a pretty unique shape somehow. All the "ticking" sounds and the typical "low cutoff, high filter envelope gain, short staccato decay thingy with moderate to low resonance" trancey sounds are quite hard to do well with softsynths. I've tried for quite a while in Sytrus to come close to these kinds of ticking sounds but it's very hard.

I remember there being an example from a virus, with the exact midi file posted, for people to try and mimic on softsynths. It had that typical ticking character and a phaser/flanger which made it almost impossible to match. I think Gol/tonytony chopper (aka, the developer of FL Studio/Sytrus) came the closest. He almost nailed the ticking character but the flanger/phaser was off. It also was a bit "thinner" sounding overall (less distortion? less harmonics of the fundamental?).

Anybody got a link to that old thread?

Cheers!
bManic

I think it is in here somewhere (Page 9 or something)

Found it:
Page 11, but the link is'nt working anymore

The infamous virus arp: virus1.mp3

[The Chase]

As always: all sorts of people have claimed once more that certain VSTs could easily reproduce the Virus sound. Without actually proving it.

Oh balls. I could do the same, making a patch with Xhip, and asking you to create a similar result that cuts it. It would be the same phenomenon.

It's like asking a professionally trained artist of 20 years to duplicate a scribble drawing done by a toddler - he wouldn't be able to make it nearly the same, but that doesn't mean the toddler was a better artist, does it? Even the great artist couldn't perfectly duplicate one of his own pieces.

Would you really be willing to put your money where your mouth is? If I made something with xhip, something simple and generic as a trance lead and maybe a simple pad to accompany it, would you try to duplicate it with your big-dicked virus?

[ruud07]

I think I already linked to some examples, but the easiest is to go to their website, e.g.: http://www.access-mirror.de/~files/Pres ... k_Side.mp3
Any serious contender would not just pick one sound but ought to systematically go through such patches and match e.g. a third of them.

Thanks for the link to the Virus samples. These sounds are cool, but now I'm convinced I don't need a hardware synth. Nowadays a lot of VST-synths can sound like that (Sylenth, Z3TA).

And I'm sure it can also be done by combining the software synths/effects in Reason. Download the refills of the Big Sound competition from Propellerhead's website, and be amazed by the huge leads and pads the experts can make with it .

[bmanic]

The hardest thing to match in some of the examples is the shape of the filter/amplitude/pitch envelopes. They have a pretty unique shape somehow. All the "ticking" sounds and the typical "low cutoff, high filter envelope gain, short staccato decay thingy with moderate to low resonance" trancey sounds are quite hard to do well with softsynths. I've tried for quite a while in Sytrus to come close to these kinds of ticking sounds but it's very hard.

I remember there being an example from a virus, with the exact midi file posted, for people to try and mimic on softsynths. It had that typical ticking character and a phaser/flanger which made it almost impossible to match. I think Gol/tonytony chopper (aka, the developer of FL Studio/Sytrus) came the closest. He almost nailed the ticking character but the flanger/phaser was off. It also was a bit "thinner" sounding overall (less distortion? less harmonics of the fundamental?).

Anybody got a link to that old thread?

Cheers!
bManic

I think it is in here somewhere (Page 9 or something)

Found it:
Page 11, but the link is'nt working anymore

The infamous virus arp: virus1.mp3

I didn't realize it was this very thread that was the "old" one.. hehehehe.

Cheers!
bManic

[johnny2johnny]

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