KVR Audio

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:36 pm

it's done, but I have no (don't know) release date. Will probably first be a VST, then appear in the next FL.

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:48 pm

Great Tony, looking forward to it. YouWaShock sounds already amazing. Thanks again!

ahjteam · Post by **ahjteam** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:09 am

I updated the testpage, I added a white noise test to show how the plugin affects.

http://www.ahjteam.com/youwashock/

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:12 am

it's mostly a multiband compressor, so I don't really think that such a test makes sense (that would make sense for an EQ)

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:28 am

tony tony chopper wrote:Maximus offers 59 parameters btw, a free (Sytrus-like) envelope-based curve for each band, and a complete visual feedback of every compression curve.

Ah yes, that early picture you posted of it seemed extremely interesting! Looking very much forward to this one and it'll be interesting to compare it to the Sonalksis multiband limiter.. once that one is released as well.

If you need any help in beta testing.. let me know.

EDIT: just noticed that you said it is already done.. oh well. Guess I'll bitch and moan about features once I've bought the full release.

@kylen: using multiband compression/limiting (just use any good multiband compressor at ratios over 10:1) before the final output limiter is exactly the way to go if you want completely squashed K-8 tunes. It's usually the only way for taming bass heavy material that needs to go (read: the producer wants it loud!) to eleven. This keeps the bass from "farting" in the final output limiter.

Cheers!
bManic

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:39 am

tony tony chopper wrote:it's mostly a multiband compressor, so I don't really think that such a test makes sense (that would make sense for an EQ)

Any info on the cross over filters? This is usually one of the problems with multiband compressors. Can the different bands be semi-linked with each other? That is, when the low band compresses, it should be possible to kind of "chain" it to the next band (low-mid) at a certain %. Basically it is just bleed into the sidechain of the next band. Is this possible?

I find this feature vital for doing "natural" multiband compression of whole mixes. It keeps the tear between bands to a minimum.

Cheers!
bManic

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:02 am

Any info on the cross over filters?

they're transparent 12 or 24dB

Can the different bands be semi-linked with each other? That is, when the low band compresses, it should be possible to kind of "chain" it to the next band (low-mid) at a certain %.

yes & no. There are 3 bands and a final limiter, so the config does this by itself (if the low band gain is higher than the mid, then the low will have more importance than the mid at the time of limiting the result)

It keeps the tear between bands to a minimum.

now I don't really see the point of a multiband limiter if it's to do this - better use a single band config, no?

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:41 am

Well no, by varying the "bleed" into the bands next to the one that is compressing, you get a kind of elastic single band thing going on.. It's a bit hard to describe but as your multiband compressor/limiter is 3 bands only I guess it isn't too important (though the mid band and high band could definitely benefit from this "bleed" as the crossover point between these usually happens at the critical 1kHz to 4kHz area. This can cause a pretty apparent 'tear' in lead vocals of a full mix, if the mid band is compressing suddenly a lot).

So, for a typical pop mix with nasty uncontrolled bass and uneven mids with spikey/sibilant highs, I would usually set a multiband like this:

Low-band crossover somewhere around 80 to 130hz.. slightly depending on the type of bass guitar/kick energy. This band would operate independently as a 'tear' around the crossover usually isn't a problem.

Then the mid-band to high-band crossover would be around 1.5kHz and would be set to around 40% "bleed" to the high band (it works both ways btw. so 40% bleed at this point would make the mid-band react to the high band as well) to make these two kind of linked to minimize possible tearing at the crossover.

The 'tear' effect is usually quite rare and can be subtle at best but this sidechain bleed does seem to work. I've built several multiband compressors within energyXT using crossovers, mixers and sidechain capable compressors and it seems to be a quite effective strategy to allow this "bleed" to happen. It gets even more interesting when you allow individual bands to operate in a Mid/Side configuration.

EDIT: just to clarify, I do not fully understand myself how or why this is working but I got inspired to try it after testing the Buzz Room multiband compressor that has this very feature. Also, Waves multiband has something similar.. their "adaptive" compression thingy seems to be doing the same.

Cheers!
bManic

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:32 am

bmanic wrote:EDIT: just to clarify, I do not fully understand myself.

I knew it.

Actually, that was very interesting.

Do you like that BuzComp compressor? It makes me sad that he's stopped developing...

ahjteam · Post by **ahjteam** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:48 pm

tony tony chopper wrote:it's mostly a multiband compressor, so I don't really think that such a test makes sense (that would make sense for an EQ)

It affects the sound, so it does matter? See the pictures yourself.

http://www.ahjteam.com/youwashock/#noise

It looks like the A works like "equal loudness" curve, B is kinda like upside down "equal loudness" curve but with a hi-cut, C has a midboost, D being pretty neutral.

all seem to hipass around 20-40hz, but the slope is not very steep. I added pictures with three YWS to emphasize the curves.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:15 pm

bduffy wrote:Do you like that BuzComp compressor? It makes me sad that he's stopped developing...

is that official?
thats really sad, the guy was gifted ... i still use his betaversions, they sound great ... though i don't like the free bundle ...

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:39 pm

It affects the sound, so it does matter?

Yes, since it's a compressorn, and not an EQ, the way it affects your input will depends on.. your input. Make a test with different noise, noise at different levels, the result will be different.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:18 pm

brok landers wrote:
bduffy wrote:Do you like that BuzComp compressor? It makes me sad that he's stopped developing...
is that official?
thats really sad, the guy was gifted ... i still use his betaversions, they sound great ... though i don't like the free bundle ...

I just don't know; he used to post here, now he doesn't. I've emailed him many times, no response, and that BuzComp compressor hasn't been updated in years. Shame. But you can still buy all his stuff.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:30 pm

hmmm ... no reply, even when contacting him per mail? that's sad ...

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:57 pm

Yeah, he seems to have hit the road. Hey, try e-mailing him! Maybe we can wake him up.

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