Edison buggy in Live 6.07. Also Directwave Q's

[jones-y]

Hi,

when I try to use Edison to capture audio within Live 6, I get an error that says

'Access Violation at address 00000000. Read of Address 00000000.'

and then live sorta semi-hangs, the interface becomes seim-responsive and I can't launch any clips or start the transport. But I can still load plguins and clips....

Also Wave candy always causes some sort of error (can't remember the text) when Live starts.

Last, how do I route audio to Directwave in order to use its sampling features? And will DnD from live to DW ever be possible?

[reflex]

I've tried it here with the latest beta version and it works properly. So it will be fixed in a future update, but I don't know when that will be released.

For Wave Candy, can you try the latest Juice Pack installer from www.image-line.com?

As for DirectWave, I've never used the VST sampling option before, but I think it's done in the Options dialog: load a VST and tell it to process it.

[mw]

This is from the manual:

Input / Sampling

To record you must load DW into a mixer channel FX slot. DW only records sound from the mixer track and FX slot where it is loaded. This means any FX in slots preceding DW will be heard (and recorded) while those after it will be heard (but not recorded).

* Monitor - Allows you to hear the mixer track that DW is loaded into. Unless this is selected you will not hear anything on the track.
* 440 Hz - This is a 440 Hz test-tone (Note A4) to aid in tuning of melodic samples.
* Record - When selected the mixer track (and FX slot position) DW is loaded into will be recorded into Direct Wave. The recording will start when audio input is received.

Have not tried it in Cubase, I have only used the vsti sampling features.

[jones-y]

reflex:

thanks for your help. I assume you're speaking of the beta version of Live 6.08? Cool! thanks for that, I'll be eagerly waiting!

As for Wave Candy, I had just downloaded the juice pack the day of the original message (thurs 8/2). Has there been an update since then?

Also, I'm primarily interested in Edison, as I have all the effects I need and use on a daily basis. Is there any chance Image Line will offer Edison separately at a cheaper price, or maybe bundle Edison with Directwave? They make an awesome duo!

mw:
thanks! now if I load it in a track as an effect, then sample something, how do I transfer those samples to another instance loaded in another track as an instrument? Or would I have to save the samples and load them into another instance manually?

[mw]

You will most likely have to save it as a Directwave preset or save wave or save wave as and then reload it in another instrument instance.

[jones-y]

Also, any chance of Mac versions of DW and Edison???

[reflex]

There will be a mac version of DW, but Edison is unlikely.

[bluepride]

We're REALLY looking forward to the Mac version of DW, please keep us posted. Also, we'd be happy to pay for the DW Mac update if you find yourself in need of funds for development.

[jones-y]

You will most likely have to save it as a Directwave preset or save wave or save wave as and then reload it in another instrument instance.

DANG. Workflow (and maybe deal) breaker, bigtime. Oh well, I guess we can blame the host devs for this one...

[jones-y]

Or maybe DW can sample from the sidechain input? Like Musolomo...

[reflex]

A sidechain input is just another input for a VST plugin. Since DW VSTi, as a synth, already has one input that should be enough.

[mw]

You will most likely have to save it as a Directwave preset or save wave or save wave as and then reload it in another instrument instance.

DANG. Workflow (and maybe deal) breaker, bigtime. Oh well, I guess we can blame the host devs for this one...

I have not tried this way specifically, it's just a suggestion. Most things have to be saved anyway, or at least saved at some point in your workflow. Maybe give it a try first, also you can do some wav editing right in Directwave which is great if you need to.

[jones-y]

A sidechain input is just another input for a VST plugin. Since DW VSTi, as a synth, already has one input that should be enough.

Fair enough, but how do I access DW's input, if my hosts (Live and Logic Pro 7) don't allow you to route audio into a VSTi? Logic will do sidechaining. I'm not sure about Live, but I think you can load DW into an audio track, then send MIDI to it from a separate MIDI track.

I have not tried this way specifically, it's just a suggestion. Most things have to be saved anyway, or at least saved at some point in your workflow. Maybe give it a try first, also you can do some wav editing right in Directwave which is great if you need to.

Good point, but then DW offers no advantage over something like Battery 3 (which, aside from the sampling input, and classic NI bugginess, is almost perfect for my needs: per-sample envelopes, filters, FX etc., and which I already own...) I really really really desire to get away from the file-based paradigm that softsamplers force you into.

That's why I still have my ASR-X. I can sample, map, sequence, edit, sequence, fine tune, sequence, etc., go back and sample something else and instantly drop it in the sequence, rinse and repeat ad infinitum and lightning fast. And all without having to save a file and re-find it using several file browsers (one in the sampler, one in the audio editor/file recorder, and a third in the Finder/Explorer). That is the deal breaker for me. There is currently nothing in software that accomodates that workflow.

Saving, for me, is at the end of the process, after the tracks are bounced to audio, and the sequence is saved. And I never name samples, because since I rarely use more that 15-20, i can just identify them by auditioning them. So naming the program to match the sequencer's song file is normally sufficient for me.

Edison + DirectWave would perfect, except for the Edison bugginess in Live, and except for the fact that I prefer to sample/sequence on my Mac, and use my PC as a sound generator.

[bluepride]

Fair enough, but how do I access DW's input, if my hosts (Live and Logic Pro 7) don't allow you to route audio into a VSTi? Logic will do sidechaining. I'm not sure about Live, but I think you can load DW into an audio track, then send MIDI to it from a separate MIDI track.

You might want to consider Plogue Bidule. You could put an instance of Bidule as an effect insert on the track you want to sample, then put an instance of DW within that Bidule, and connect DW's audio inputs to Bidule. This would allow you to route things as you need. I do this - it works for me.

http://www.plogue.com

[jones-y]

Fair enough, but how do I access DW's input, if my hosts (Live and Logic Pro 7) don't allow you to route audio into a VSTi? Logic will do sidechaining. I'm not sure about Live, but I think you can load DW into an audio track, then send MIDI to it from a separate MIDI track.

You might want to consider Plogue Bidule. You could put an instance of Bidule as an effect insert on the track you want to sample, then put an instance of DW within that Bidule, and connect DW's audio inputs to Bidule. This would allow you to route things as you need. I do this - it works for me.

http://www.plogue.com

Sounds cool, aside from the extra layer. Now how would I then 'play' DW from within Bidule, or would I then have to export the samples from that instance of DW into another one?