KVR Audio

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:41 pm

Intel Core Duo 2 E6850 3.0G 1333 Fsb 4 Megs
Intel Core 2 Quad QX6600 2.4G 1066 Fsb 8 Megs

Both are about the same price. The E6850 run faster and has faster front side buss(possibly hotter as well?), but the QX6600 has more cache and 2 extra core.

I run mostly Reaper and Vegas7 for realtime app, sometime AfterEffects5 as well (but I don't expect realtime from it, although it would be nice).

The goal is not having to bounce anything...ever.

So, what would you build on and why?

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:46 pm

Q6600. It's going to be faster with those apps. Not sure about Vegas but both Reaper and AE should be a good deal faster.

EDIT: Vegas has improved multi processor support as a new feature which could mean anything but most likely it will run faster on the Q6600 as well.

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:29 pm

AE 5 is multithreaded? That sound cool, it's slow as piss on my current machine so I only use it when absolutely necessary, any improvement with it and I'd probably use it more often.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:33 pm

bullshark wrote:AE 5 is multithreaded? That sound cool, it's slow as piss on my current machine so I only use it when absolutely necessary, any improvement with it and I'd probably use it more often.

From the Adobe AE FAQ

Does After Effects support hyperthreading, dual-core processors, and multiprocessors?

After Effects takes advantage of hyperthreading and offers support for both dual-core and multiprocessors.

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:37 pm

Thank's jupiter8, but I'm running version 5 so I didn't think it applied. Heck, last I checked Adobe didn't even leave any upgrade path open from my version to the new one (whatever it's now called).

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:41 pm

Oopsie did'nt see the version 5 or just ignored it.

From the AE FAQ

Can I upgrade from a previous version (5.0 or later) of After Effects Standard?
Yes, for just US$299, you can upgrade to After Effects CS3 Professional.

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:08 pm

Since Reaper's support for multicores is very good, I'd suggest go for the QX6600, I know I would If I wasn't more of an AMD guy and waiting to see what happens with their quad cores which are coming out soon.

shogger · Post by **shogger** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:49 pm

Justin Frankel (Mr. Reaper) recently said that he would choose a 2.4 Quadcore over a 3.0 Dualcore.

Shogger

Paulie Phonick · Post by **Paulie Phonick** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:43 pm

A simplistic performance estimation: Q6600: 4 x 2.4 = 9.6, E6850: 2 x 3.0 = 6. This doesn't take into account non-ideal scaling, FSB speed differences and the fact that the Q6600 is in fact a 2+2 and not a native quad core - but even if this primitively estimated 60% lead for Q6600 over an E6850 is 50% off you'll still have 30% more power with the Q6600. And then the Q6600 will probably be easier to overclock as it has lower base speed (though that will require very good cooling).

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:11 am

bullshark wrote:Intel Core Duo 2 E6850 3.0G 1333 Fsb 4 Megs
Intel Core 2 Quad QX6600 2.4G 1066 Fsb 8 Megs

How strange...

I have just spent the last 5 days reserching cpu's, boards and chipsets and looked at both of these cpu's.

originally i looked at the 965G chipset but after some consideration I decided on the P35T chipset.

I have decided to hold off until the prices of DDR3 ram, and this cpu Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 3.00GHz quad core drop in price.

As you say the new fsb speed is 1333.

I usually use Gigabyte mbs and settled on this one Gigabyte GA-P35T-DQ6 (supports DDR3 ram and it supports RAID 5 + it has a heatpipe to the north and south bridge) I intend on running 4 sata drives.

If you are trying to figure out what size power supply you need for your system this site can point you in the right direction.

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psuc ... orlite.jsp

As far as Ram, OS and DAW, I have Cubase SX3, I intend on running XP Pro 32bit with 4gb ram using the 3gb switch in the boot.ini file.

I already researched this a few months ago on the Cubase forums.

We are on a technology change, so thats why i decided to wait till the current prices drop. Probably first or second quarter of next year.

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:26 am

The Gigabyte GA-P35T-DQ6 is my choice in mainboard as well, a bit more expensive but should perform well and last a very long time. I'm going with DDR2 thought, 2GB of it, don't think DDR3 ram is worth the extra expense at this point; nice to have the option thought.

Only unkown were the CPU, looks like I'm going quad by unanimous voting, and the graphic adapter. So far, I'm thinking a Radeon HD 2600XT, with its onboard hardware video decoding, would complement this machine, and it's intended purpose, very well.

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:57 am

IME nVidia cards behave better - have better drivers with less overhead [memory consumption] than ATi, consume less power, and you can find decent passively cooled GF7600GS or GT [I'd go with GS] ones also from Gigabyte, so your comp can be more silent. I have a Gigabyte mbo/vga combo with AMD X25600+ and it's rock solid.

Cheers!

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:27 am

bullshark wrote:The Gigabyte GA-P35T-DQ6 is my choice in mainboard as well, a bit more expensive but should perform well and last a very long time. I'm going with DDR2 thought, 2GB of it, don't think DDR3 ram is worth the extra expense at this point; nice to have the option thought.

Only unkown were the CPU, looks like I'm going quad by unanimous voting, and the graphic adapter. So far, I'm thinking a Radeon HD 2600XT, with its onboard hardware video decoding, would complement this machine, and it's intended purpose, very well.

I'm into gaming as well as audio, on my current pc (3 years old now) I waited until the Radeon X800xt was released then built my machine over the next few weeks. This time I am not going so bleeding edge with the graphics card, I looked into the NVidia GeForce 7950 GT and the Radeon X1950 Pro. I decided on the Radeon.

I run 2 screens, sometimes 3 as I have 2 video cards installed in this machine. I will replace my 19inch CRT's when the price of 24inch LCD's become reasonable. (I want 2 native 1920 x 1200 LCD screens as I currently use 1600x1200 on my CRTs)

as Dux said the NVidia uses less power consumption, though the system i have specced should run easily off a 500 watt PS.

I dont know the 2600XT.

keep this in mind if you buy that model quoted from http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/465

The second problem is that AMD there are two basic versions of Radeon HD 2600 XT, one using GDDR4 memories running at 2.2 GHz (1.1 GHz DDR) and another using GDDR3 memories running at 1.6 GHz (800 MHz DDR). And for Radeon HD 2400 they allow the manufacturer to set any clock rate they want. The problem is that the reference models we got for reviewing were running at the top clock speeds and other Radeon HD 2600 and HD 2400 boards you will find at the market may be running at lower clock rates and thus achieving a lower performance.

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:51 am

My interest in the HD2600 stem from it's HDMI output and it's hardware video decoding. I'm thinking sending the output of Vegas to a secondary HDMI TV monitor, and, using it's onboard decoding, wasting next to zero CPU even monitoring HD. Nvidia claim the same onboard decoding as ATI, but, according to test I've read, it doesn't work very well on their board (some test claim 5% CPU usage decoding an HD movie with the ATI card, and 30% CPU usage for the same HD video with the 8600 GT).

And frankly, I always found nVidia 2d image quality and color accuracy sub par when compared to ATI's offering. The 5250 nvidia one I've got installed now is disgusting.

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:15 am

Have to admit I've always preferred ATI cards. I haven't watched tv for 25years so I'm not really up with the that side of it.

Let me know what you think of the GA-P35T-DQ6 motherboard if you buy it. Looks good. Sounds like you will have one awesome system.

The hardest thing for me is to find the patience to wait.

New system: E6850 or QX6600?