KVR Audio

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:12 pm

Not sure if this is the right place for this but.. Wondering if there are any samplers out there that allow you to load up an effect to several different zones and then freeze effects onto them? BTW I'm not a K2 user so I'm not sure if it does this..

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zvon · Post by **zvon** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:20 pm

Vsampler 3 does it.

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:34 pm

Not well. It only works 100% with the internal plugins. VST s act really strange.. Funny enough this is exactly why I'm asking..

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zvon · Post by **zvon** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:46 pm

Lagrange wrote:Not well. It only works 100% with the internal plugins. VST s act really strange.. Funny enough this is exactly why I'm asking..

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Sorry, did not know that as I never tried VST plugins with Vsampler, only the internal ones. I am not a K2 user, so don't know if it does.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:08 pm

I don't think Kontakt does anything like that, or else we'd be bitching for it to be done better/faster.

I don't think any sampler does that.

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:44 pm

sucks.

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:54 pm

Sure does. Another feature of HW samplers completely disregarded in their software descendants. My ten year old ASR-X can do it, but the supposed 'king of all samplers' can't....

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:06 pm

So you're saying you want the sampler to apply destructive fx edits to the samples?

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:18 pm

Me personally, yes. I can't speak for lagrange, but it sounds like his answer is also yes

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:22 pm

I suspect the next question is why, to which my answer is workflow.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:28 pm

jones-y wrote:I suspect the next question is why, to which my answer is workflow.

Good guess! (But I assumed that was the case.)

Hmmm...well, I used to do more destructive sampler-editing, not sure what changed (the advent of BFD and EZDrummer? The death of tarnce?), but I always found using a 3d-party editor to be easy enough; in Kontakt, the updates are instant, so it is technically the same thing.

Of course, I guess the point is that you can't freeze Kontakt's internal effects, which would be nice.

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:38 pm

bduffy wrote:Hmmm...well, I used to do more destructive sampler-editing, not sure what changed (the advent of BFD and EZDrummer? The death of tarnce?), but I always found using a 3d-party editor to be easy enough; in Kontakt, the updates are instant, so it is technically the same thing.

Except that preview in context is impossible. And that leads to the problem of having to make several trips to the external editor to get it right. Say I want to EQ a portion of a sample. Or apply a delay to one syllable of a vocal sample. Potentially 3-5 round trips or more. Or timestretching a certain section of a sample to fit a certain portion of dead space... Now imagine how tedious this is when you use a sampler that doesn't have an 'open in external editor' button, like I do, or even the ones that do.... But hey, I'm a special case... Its just frustrating having to rely on a third piece of software (and a separate purchase at that).

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:58 pm

jones-y wrote:
bduffy wrote:Hmmm...well, I used to do more destructive sampler-editing, not sure what changed (the advent of BFD and EZDrummer? The death of tarnce?), but I always found using a 3d-party editor to be easy enough; in Kontakt, the updates are instant, so it is technically the same thing.
Except that preview in context is impossible. And that leads to the problem of having to make several trips to the external editor to get it right. Say I want to EQ a portion of a sample. Or apply a delay to one syllable of a vocal sample. Potentially 3-5 round trips or more. Or timestretching a certain section of a sample to fit a certain portion of dead space... Now imagine how tedious this is when you use a sampler that doesn't have an 'open in external editor' button, like I do, or even the ones that do.... But hey, I'm a special case... Its just frustrating having to rely on a third piece of software (and a separate purchase at that).

Yep, yep; I get that. With things like this and the increasing requests for "sampling" recently, I hope some cool developer makes the bitchin' fun, can-do-everything sampler that everybody really wants. I just don't know if anyone's got the will/time/cash to do it.

Hey: whatever happened to Shortcircuit 2?

wikter · Post by **wikter** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:38 pm

DiscoDSP Highlife is the one that freezes... and then you can play with RGCAudio Sfz if you export an SFZ soundfont. Take care of multioutput vsti's.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:16 pm

Renoise can apply effects destructively. Not an ideal solution in that it's a full sequencer and you'd have to be comfortable with the tracker interface. Nonetheless, it can do it.

Samplers with freeze..