Samplers with freeze..

[stale bread]

Hmmm...well, I used to do more destructive sampler-editing, not sure what changed (the advent of BFD and EZDrummer? The death of tarnce?), but I always found using a 3d-party editor to be easy enough; in Kontakt, the updates are instant, so it is technically the same thing.

Except that preview in context is impossible. And that leads to the problem of having to make several trips to the external editor to get it right. Say I want to EQ a portion of a sample. Or apply a delay to one syllable of a vocal sample. Potentially 3-5 round trips or more. Or timestretching a certain section of a sample to fit a certain portion of dead space... Now imagine how tedious this is when you use a sampler that doesn't have an 'open in external editor' button, like I do, or even the ones that do.... But hey, I'm a special case... Its just frustrating having to rely on a third piece of software (and a separate purchase at that).

Yep, yep; I get that. With things like this and the increasing requests for "sampling" recently, I hope some cool developer makes the bitchin' fun, can-do-everything sampler that everybody really wants. I just don't know if anyone's got the will/time/cash to do it.

Hey: whatever happened to Shortcircuit 2?

Cue in : jorgen and ModuLr to make it happen right and fast

I can dream can't i....

[stale bread]

Renoise can apply effects destructively. Not an ideal solution in that it's a full sequencer and you'd have to be comfortable with the tracker interface. Nonetheless, it can do it.

will it allow several diff zones at the same time?

[shamann]

I don't know, I don't actually use it. All I know is that it allows you to apply effects to samples quickly. I should try it out again, I've been using Milkytracker in the past year, so have dusted off the tracker part of my brain a bit.

[Lagrange]

Sure does. Another feature of HW samplers completely disregarded in their software descendants. My ten year old ASR-X can do it, but the supposed 'king of all samplers' can't....

Which ones? Looks like I'm going to have to get one next

...leads to the problem of having to make several trips to the external editor to get it right. Say I want to EQ a portion of a sample. Or apply a delay to one syllable of a vocal sample. Potentially 3-5 round trips or more.... Now imagine how tedious this is... Its just frustrating having to rely on a third piece of software (and a separate purchase at that).

Hey you have some kinda connection directly to my thoughts or something STOP IT! just playin.. Yea this is exactly the problem or tedium I face all the time.. One simple button named Apply or Freeze (that works) makes it so much easier..

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[Lagrange]

Renoise can apply effects destructively. Not an ideal solution in that it's a full sequencer and you'd have to be comfortable with the tracker interface. Nonetheless, it can do it.

will it allow several diff zones at the same time?

Yes I wonder this also.. If it applies effects to separate zones and you dont have to use the tracker (can use a hosts sequencer) then its amazing! Anyone know??

MIDI

Connect Renoise to hardware synths or VST instruments to send and receive notes and controllers changes. Sync Renoise in either master or slave mode.

Ok this answers 1 question..

Oh and does it load as a VST itself??

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[jones-y]

Sure does. Another feature of HW samplers completely disregarded in their software descendants. My ten year old ASR-X can do it, but the supposed 'king of all samplers' can't....

Which ones? Looks like I'm going to have to get one next

Well the ASR-10 and ASR-X can resample thru effects, which of course allows in-context preview, and they can also apply effects to incoming audio and sample that result. The later Akai MPCs and rack samplers(4000/1000/2500/S5000/Z8)can destructively apply effects to regions of a sample, but no in-context preview. The EMU rack samplers do all of the above and a lot more. The Yamaha A5000 can also resample thru effects. Pretty much all of them manuf'd after 1992 (fifteen friggin years ago...)ave some sort of facility to print FX to a sample.

Hey you have some kinda connection directly to my thoughts or something STOP IT! just playin..

Its a group illusion, according to some here...

[ModuLR]

Re: Renoise... When creating an instrument, the samples within are independent. So if you apply the effects of a dsp chain to one sample, it won't effect the others in the differing zones. Or am I misunderstanding the question? You can't however have velocity layers, nor are there independent envelopes for the samples within an instrument. You could duplicate the instrument tho, if you want to apply different envelopes. It has the immediacy that jones-y is describing with hardware, but the mapping and layering aspects are kinda weak at present.. you'd have to do it all when programming the sequence.

It's funny (well maybe not), Renoise has many of the hardware'esque sampling aspects down but is missing some of the basic parts of the regular softsamplers.

Anyway, if you have to do it manually, I think Live with Sampler is pretty easy.

[Lagrange]

Peh not in any mood to go back to the Notator way of doing things.. Just need to be able to have separate zones/layers and apply effects without totally wrecking the instrument in the sampler..

As someone mentioned, I tried HighLife but it just introduced another form of tedium (loading zones not recording from the VSTi).

Basically I've had to do some background magic to make this work for me. When I compare the time it takes to do it 'my way', I guess I can except it ..

The only other soft solution I'd suggest to anyone running into this problem is Aciddose's Logger..
Its a tiny plugin that records each sample per note played at high quality (sounds amazing!).
To get it to work, you insert it as an effect on the channel of the instrument your trying to record. Send the MIDI of the part your trying to get to it, set the folder and file names then press play! You get separate audio files numbered incrementally that you can drag into a sampler.

Not exactly sampler freeze but it'l have to do..

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[shamann]

Not quite freeze, more like bounce, but apparently Emulator X can resample.

On spec, it looks good, but for $300, why on earth isn't there a demo? Audio Damage takes grief for not having demos, but their stuff costs way less and they offer a full money back guarantee. I'm sure Emu, or rather Emu's dealers, don't. Come on already, downloadable demo!

[Lagrange]

I guess cause it's from Ensoniq they dont 'need' to have a demo.. Yea I've seen this one before a tad bloated if you ask me, but the recording preset thingy seems pretty streamline compared to.. well there are not others that do this..

Did you check out that logger plugin? It's amazing! You will need a sampler that supports drag and drop or automaps samples from the name!

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[shamann]

Yeah, I've used logger now and again since aciddose made it. A useful little thing, for sure.

[Lagrange]

Any more simple and we'd be dead right ? I guess its just a lazy mans dream of being able to do everything all in one swoop (button)!.. It's just a pita to have to re set things up especially when already have all your ideas layed out and your under time constraints.. Plus theres a chance that you can actually mess up the recording sequence by having to push the audio through so many different things! Theres a high chance it'l never sound as good as when your actually previewing the song..

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[chuck death]

Something I do that might also do what you are after is use Energy XT inside Highlife. With this set up you could load any sampler you like into XT and chain whatever effects you want after it. Then when you have it set up how you like you simply freeze the results.

[Lagrange]

Something I do that might also do what you are after is use Energy XT inside Highlife. With this set up you could load any sampler you like into XT and chain whatever effects you want after it. Then when you have it set up how you like you simply freeze the results.

Very interesting proposition.. Have you tried it yet? I'm wondering if I'll be able to trigger my synths in eXT in HL from an external controller at all.. Hmm must try this..

Thanks Chuck..

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[BERFAB]

Sure does. Another feature of HW samplers completely disregarded in their software descendants. My ten year old ASR-X can do it, but the supposed 'king of all samplers' can't....

Which ones? Looks like I'm going to have to get one next

Well the ASR-10 and ASR-X can resample thru effects, which of course allows in-context preview, and they can also apply effects to incoming audio and sample that result. The later Akai MPCs and rack samplers(4000/1000/2500/S5000/Z8)can destructively apply effects to regions of a sample, but no in-context preview. The EMU rack samplers do all of the above and a lot more. The Yamaha A5000 can also resample thru effects. Pretty much all of them manuf'd after 1992 (fifteen friggin years ago...)ave some sort of facility to print FX to a sample.

I love this feature on my ASR-10. But the reason for the resample feature was a lot more practical. First off, true multi FX were more novelty than reality. So to really get a nice multi effect, multi resampling was almost required. Second, fully loaded, the box only had 15mg RAM. That said, resampling on one of these boxes is a very easy proceedure--one button mapped everything automatically.

The closest I've found to this feature is the 'record' feature in Absynth. Unfortunatly, Abby is not a true sampler, and mapping the re-samples that you create this way is difficult if not downright impossible (at least for me).

Cheers
-B