Are there any books that discuss musical scales in detail?
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- KVRist
- 290 posts since 15 Jul, 2003
As far as some history and usage of various scales (minor, major, melodic minor, pentatonic etc...), modes (Aeolian, etc...) and the function or effect of the tones within each of these scales?
I remember a discussion quite long ago on a forum far far away where someone stated that he came across a book where all tone keys and chord progressions were explained. I forgot the name of it, but if anyone knows of anything similar, I would really appreciate being blessed with that knowledge.
I remember a discussion quite long ago on a forum far far away where someone stated that he came across a book where all tone keys and chord progressions were explained. I forgot the name of it, but if anyone knows of anything similar, I would really appreciate being blessed with that knowledge.
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- KVRist
- 180 posts since 19 Oct, 2005
I'm actually writing a book on this to some extent. It will be called the music number system or something similar. It explains scales and chords in terms of numbers and how they work together instead of the usual confusing music theory. Send me a pm with your email and I'll keep you posted.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 290 posts since 15 Jul, 2003
Sounds great. I will definitely be hitting you up.emumk6 wrote:I'm actually writing a book on this to some extent. It will be called the music number system or something similar. It explains scales and chords in terms of numbers and how they work together instead of the usual confusing music theory. Send me a pm with your email and I'll keep you posted.
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- KVRAF
- 1958 posts since 16 Jan, 2005 from France's Dirty South
seems interestingemumk6 wrote:I'm actually writing a book on this to some extent. It will be called the music number system or something similar. It explains scales and chords in terms of numbers and how they work together instead of the usual confusing music theory. Send me a pm with your email and I'll keep you posted.
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- KVRist
- 319 posts since 3 Dec, 2004
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- KVRian
- 945 posts since 8 Jan, 2004 from California
$132.00 ???jimvictor wrote:http://lydianchromaticconcept.com/main.html
Start making your own book...you'll learn more. I'd start online, Library for scale books (I have one now, Hal Leanord). I also own the Guitar Grimori (sp) and the piano one (that contains pretty much everything the others do for guitar/bass/piano (it's the blue one)...remember, the cheaper you are; the more soft synths you'll own
The armchair is more than the sum of the bastards
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
What price my database? Every named scale the net has to offer plus all viable synthetic scales (most without a name). Including all viable octatonic, heptatonic, hexatonic and pentatonic scales, their modes and pitch class sets.meeks wrote:$132.00 ???jimvictor wrote:http://lydianchromaticconcept.com/main.html
What am I bid?
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JumpingJackFlash JumpingJackFlash https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=44005
- KVRian
- 1227 posts since 10 Oct, 2004
I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong), that the OP was interested more in the history of the scales we use now; how we came to develop the "major scale", and especially the different forms of minor scale, how (and why) they function the way they do, and why we use one in preference to another.
Knowing the name of every possible collection of notes is not going to help you much in life. That just becomes nomenclature for the sake of it. You only really need to know the ones you are likely to encounter. Granted, that depends a lot on the sort of music you like, but outside of Indian music, knowing what the "Raga Malayamarutam" is for example is not going to be of much practical use.
Knowing the name of every possible collection of notes is not going to help you much in life. That just becomes nomenclature for the sake of it. You only really need to know the ones you are likely to encounter. Granted, that depends a lot on the sort of music you like, but outside of Indian music, knowing what the "Raga Malayamarutam" is for example is not going to be of much practical use.
Unfamiliar words can be looked up in my Glossary of musical terms.
Also check out my Introduction to Music Theory.
Also check out my Introduction to Music Theory.
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
Oh really. So why do you keep posting the Forte number of all sorts of exotics since I posted the url for the pc class calculator?JumpingJackFlash wrote:I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong), that the OP was interested more in the history of the scales we use now; how we came to develop the "major scale", and especially the different forms of minor scale, how (and why) they function the way they do, and why we use one in preference to another.
Knowing the name of every possible collection of notes is not going to help you much in life. That just becomes nomenclature for the sake of it. You only really need to know the ones you are likely to encounter. Granted, that depends a lot on the sort of music you like, but outside of Indian music, knowing what the "Raga Malayamarutam" is for example is not going to be of much practical use.
Oh yeah, and the "Raga Malayamarutam" works a treat over a drop 5th dominant and a major triad. Still you wouldn't know or care about that would you because you don't understand modern harmony. But you don't mind if those of us who do talk about this stuff, eh?
Stop trying to ossify music in the 19th century. Get a clue and try to learn something new.
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
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JumpingJackFlash JumpingJackFlash https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=44005
- KVRian
- 1227 posts since 10 Oct, 2004
Why the hostility nuffink?
I was not intending to trivialise "modern harmony", nor promote "classical harmony". (Of course, modern harmony does not exist in isolation, it has developed from what happened before, and there is absolutely no point in learning the advanced stuff until you understand the basics). And I didn't know there was an online pitch calculator.
You'll note I have deliberately not posted any kind of link here, to my Scales post for example, as I don't believe it would help the OP. - That's what I was saying, he doesn't want a list of names, he specifically used terms like "history", "usage", "function", and so fourth.
If I have misunderstood the OP, then my apologies, but unless he corrects me...
I was not intending to trivialise "modern harmony", nor promote "classical harmony". (Of course, modern harmony does not exist in isolation, it has developed from what happened before, and there is absolutely no point in learning the advanced stuff until you understand the basics). And I didn't know there was an online pitch calculator.
You'll note I have deliberately not posted any kind of link here, to my Scales post for example, as I don't believe it would help the OP. - That's what I was saying, he doesn't want a list of names, he specifically used terms like "history", "usage", "function", and so fourth.
If I have misunderstood the OP, then my apologies, but unless he corrects me...
Unfamiliar words can be looked up in my Glossary of musical terms.
Also check out my Introduction to Music Theory.
Also check out my Introduction to Music Theory.
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
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- KVRian
- 945 posts since 8 Jan, 2004 from California
Your right Nuffink! and what the hell...while your at this [remedial] why don't you just take that graduate level "quantum mechanics of subatomic partical" course to help you better figure out the relationships of compressed happy atoms that move through the air making the psychological imprint of the sounds of scales that are brains interperate in the first place (but only study at sea level).nuffink wrote:What price my database? Every named scale the net has to offer plus all viable synthetic scales (most without a name). Including all viable octatonic, heptatonic, hexatonic and pentatonic scales, their modes and pitch class sets.meeks wrote:$132.00 ???jimvictor wrote:http://lydianchromaticconcept.com/main.html
What am I bid?
Basic questions need basic answers...not a bunch of wacked out scales the common person will never use. Go back and do what I said to do...that's your starting point. 18th, 19th, 20th century makes little difference...Music Theory is easily manipulative allowing the user to come up with his/her own ideas and rules once some basics are understood. I'm not even the expert, but it should be fun leading to productivity; if it becomes stale/life consuming, it could be 20 years until you spit something out. Go for it but have fun!
The armchair is more than the sum of the bastards
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
