DAW Audio Quality does vary... and Live 7 sneak peak!

[ericj23]

If you have a bunch of tracks with slight noise or errors say 15-30 they add up. Also what might not be heard at low volumes might be audible once you compress and limit the hell out of it.

Either way, I seriously think Live is going to surprise us with it's next release.
dw

That feels right, hm? 30 tracks plus compression beyond gravity?

Listen to this: noise test

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On a laptop here with no headphones so i can't actually hear anything, don't know if everyone else do. The fact that the cumulation of even minute errors could theoretically drive them into audible levels cannot be disputed...

actually sometimes they cant - if the error is below -144db it is simply not present in the 32 bit file being passed from one process to another

it makes absolutely no difference how many of these errors are present they do not accumulate

[Meffy]

it makes absolutely no difference how many of these errors are present they do not accumulate

If you use a sufficiently powerful Finite Improbability Generator they accumulate. It's just a matter of having the right hardware. A horde of Maxwell's Demons would do the trick too, if they were retrained to sift numbers based on polarity instead of manipulate atoms according to speed and direction.

[jivamukti]

I can finally has Pro Record Sound (with cheezburger) with Live 7?

[Meffy]

For those who are somehow unfamiliar with everyday practical applications of probabilistic emphasis techniques, finite improbability "[...] was often used to break the ice at parties by making all the molecules in the hostess' undergarments leap one foot simultaneously to the left in accordance with the theory of indeterminacy. Many respectful physicists said they wouldn't go to stand for that sort of thing, partly because it was a debasement of science, but mostly because they didn't get invited to those sort of parties."
-- Douglas Adams, HHGG

[nuffink]

I wonder if Douglas Adams ever met Richard Feynman

[Meffy]

Wish I believed in an afterlife. Surely there would be some animated discussions between those two should they meet in He- well, wherever they ended up spending eternity.

[bobsled]

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.

Richard Feynman

[bobsled]

He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.

Douglas Adams

[Meffy]

The Feynman Problem-Solving Algorithm

1. Write down the problem.
2. Think very hard.
3. Write down the solution.

[Meffy]

He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.

Douglas Adams

Re: "contradiction": Doesn't follow. The existence of a prayer-hearing deity doesn't necessarily presuppose an afterlife. Though it does help to keep followers pleased, it's a modern innovation (the best kind). But Adams' diagonal thinking prowess earns him the benefit of the doubt.

[popsych]

If you have a bunch of tracks with slight noise or errors say 15-30 they add up. Also what might not be heard at low volumes might be audible once you compress and limit the hell out of it.

Either way, I seriously think Live is going to surprise us with it's next release.
dw

That feels right, hm? 30 tracks plus compression beyond gravity?

Listen to this: noise test

....

On a laptop here with no headphones so i can't actually hear anything, don't know if everyone else do. The fact that the cumulation of even minute errors could theoretically drive them into audible levels cannot be disputed...

actually sometimes they cant - if the error is below -144db it is simply not present in the 32 bit file being passed from one process to another

it makes absolutely no difference how many of these errors are present they do not accumulate

[/warning]
I am no expert in DSP however i believe my knowledge of physics and mathematics allow me to enter this conversation as this is what DSP really is .
[warning]

My statement holds true when read with common sense even though as stated it is only refering to the process theoretically.

It common sense that no errors will be preserved beneath the noise floor of the working format because these will not be stored. They effectively "never existed" for that system.

Correct me if i'm wrong but even then, new errors will be introduced simply from the truncation no? If it weren't so we would all store at 0 bits and have no noise in our signal at all . It would also be much more space and money efficient than today's formats .

P.S 32bit not necessarily being the the interprocess storage medium with the new 64 bit engines or the 48 bit pro tools one. By mixing multiple plugin technologies with different bit-depths for e.g. built in effects the process can become confusing.

[knot0fvipers]

*yawn*

too bad people listen to music and not audio engineering with a spectrum/oscilscope in front of them.

i just don't know why people even give a f**k about this stupid topic.

[Hink]

*yawn*

too bad people listen to music and not audio engineering with a spectrum/oscilscope in front of them.

i just don't know why people even give a f**k about this stupid topic.

+1...but I do know why...validation

[jens]

Does anyone here really have The Right to say that "they seriously doubt" Ableton did the tests properly, or claim that they know better? Ableton themselves outsourced this to experts in the scientific field because even they did not think they had enough expertise to provide conclusive or unbiased proof one way or the other

my god, Headquest, once again you have got your head so deep in you arse that you are in great danger of exploding the next time you fart.

Just for your info:

by todays standards, a theory is only scientific if it is falsifiable. And in order to falsify it you first need to doubt it. No serious scientist should ever be annoyed if someone doubts his finding because doubting his findings and then not being able to falsify them is what makes his theory stronger - the more failed attempts of falsification the stronger the theory.

Well, but of course there's also the possibilty that it indeed can be falisfied.


And last but not least:

I think just swallowing everything, because uh-oh a scientist said it is not only immensely naive but also a bit stupid.

[jens]

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