DAW Audio Quality does vary... and Live 7 sneak peak!

[Meffy]

the helen keller mode is AWSOME!

Feh, how pedestrian. The pros use my Classic Analog Silence and Modern Digital Silence sample libraries.

[hibidy]

the helen keller mode is AWSOME!

Feh, how pedestrian. The pros use my Classic Analog Silence and Modern Digital Silence sample libraries.

can you prove there is a difference?

Is it measurable to ears?

[Meffy]

can you prove there is a difference?

Of course, just look at the titles. The boxes are different too.

Is it measurable to ears?

Only to gold-plated tin ears. Fortunately I'm perfectly equipped to appreciate them.

[hibidy]

can you prove there is a difference?

Of course, just look at the titles. The boxes are different too.

Is it measurable to ears?

Only to gold-plated tin ears. Fortunately I'm perfectly equipped to appreciate them.

I disagree, I cannot hear any audible difference.......I think it's just the placebo effect.

[Meffy]

You betchum, Red Ryder. And the finest implementation of it ever created, if I do say so myself. Acclaimed by all authorities, experts, and people who spent their good money on both libraries.

[Andywanders]

can you prove there is a difference?

Of course, just look at the titles. The boxes are different too.

Is it measurable to ears?

Only to gold-plated tin ears. Fortunately I'm perfectly equipped to appreciate them.

I disagree, I cannot hear any audible difference.......I think it's just the placebo effect.

Try it with this...



Then it should be obvious.

[The Chase]

the helen keller mode is AWSOME!

@ the "outer space" preset.

[hibidy]

I know, it's funny as hell.......

the sad thing is there used to be a link where you could read blurbs and such (plus a couple of other plugs)

some highlights were

of course all TDM and really really expensive

Endorsements like "sting" something about "you've never really heard silence until this".........etc, etc............

anyways........very funny stuff.

[deaneager]

All I know is that Live has missed it's annual upgrade this year. Usually the beta starts in summer and the thing is for sale around Fall. I've been patiently waiting for the next Live for a long while.

If you have a bunch of tracks with slight noise or errors say 15-30 they add up. Also what might not be heard at low volumes might be audible once you compress and limit the hell out of it.

Either way, I seriously think Live is going to surprise us with it's next release.
dw

Hmmm, interestingly CM Mag had in their "We Heard it Down the Pub" box in the news section that they'd heard that one of the major DAW manufacturers had lost all the work they'd done updating the DAW over the last few months because they hadn't been backing up their server; and that their programmers are now working around the clock to re-do all of their work.

[hibidy]

but who is that?

sonar is up for an "update"

Live is kinda up

Logic is WAY overdue.........

anyways, I hope it's not the abe's cause although that is not my app of choice.......they are without doubt a very cool group of dudes.............

[headquest]

Hmmm.... having read all 19 pages of the Ableton forum's thread that started this one it seems to me the OP and some others miss Robert's viewpoint. The implication I came away from it that he was trying to properly (and at times improperly) address the usual competitor's fanboy that comes on the forum posting, "Live's audio quality sucks, I can hear the difference, trust me." While he alluded to changes in the upcoming version, it was not lauded as a feature. Rather it was implied to be 'tying up loose ends'. As usual when people play "telephone" and pass it along to KVR it gets somewhat distorted.

In the middle of the Ableton thread that is true. But read the first two pages again. It was started by a Live newbie who was having difficulty (because he had not yet learnt about using Warp modes). The initial response he gets is unhelpful, so Robert steps in...

If you are an Ableton user and regular forum member there you will know that Robert tends to post as an individual, not on behalf of the company. Alex and others post the official stuff. Also, Robert is not a marketing type at all - for example he was a little critical of Ableton's Sampler immediately when it was released

Robert has been spending more time online while recovering from a recent illness. And in this case he obviously wanted to 1) help the OP get sorted, 2) show that the Ableton forum is a helpful place [he started his own thread about this around a week ago], 3) correct a widespread falacy, and 4) unilaterally tell people what's going on behind the scenes (he has a habit of doing that!).

In any case, having invested in getting outside research I'm sure that Ableton will want to see a return on that once the marketeers get their hands on it. Even if that simply means telling Music Tech Magazine and Computer Music where to shove their criticisms (both of whom made what now appear to be false charges about Live's audio quality in recent reviews). Then again, perhaps they will make more of this... after all they have apparently had research done into their "five or so" main competitors (? Pro Tools, Logic, DP, Sonar, Cubase), seen the shortcomings in all of them, plus their own, and made changes to Live's audio, presumably to be Top of the Class (again, that's pretty much the Ableton approach, especially when it comes to geekdom!). So just maybe... they will boast that Live 7 has better audio quality than its rivals... which would be quite funny/ironic

[jens]

Hmmm, interestingly CM Mag had in their "We Heard it Down the Pub" box in the news section that they'd heard that one of the major DAW manufacturers had lost all the work they'd done updating the DAW over the last few months because they hadn't been backing up their server; and that their programmers are now working around the clock to re-do all of their work.

sounds like a stupid rumour to me - even if your harddisk got seriously burned in a fire you've got good chances to get your data restored if money is not an issue...


...look here for example:

http://www.acsdata.com/


So how on earth would they have lost their data?

[headquest]

Hmmm, interestingly CM Mag had in their "We Heard it Down the Pub" box in the news section that they'd heard that one of the major DAW manufacturers had lost all the work they'd done updating the DAW over the last few months because they hadn't been backing up their server; and that their programmers are now working around the clock to re-do all of their work.

I wouldn't rule out Live being the DAW they were refering to there... on the other hand I would be quite suprised if either Ableton or Cakewalk would make that kind of mistake.

I would guess that if there is any truth at all in this rumour (and often the stuff in that CM column is pure nonsense ) it would be a smaller developer. Obviously not Mackie (T3 is out), Cockos (Reaper 2 is released within the next week or two). Maybe Image Line?

Anyway, as for Ableton missing a summer release this year, an alternative theory would be that last summer there were Live users (including the Ableton Camper set) queing up asking them to take longer over Live 7. Maybe they just decided to do that

[headquest]

sounds like a stupid rumour to me - even if your harddisk got seriously burned in a fire you've got good chances to get your data restored if money is not an issue...

Exactly.

...look here for example:

http://www.acsdata.com/

Great picture!

[shogger]

Hmmm, interestingly CM Mag had in their "We Heard it Down the Pub" box in the news section that they'd heard that one of the major DAW manufacturers had lost all the work they'd done updating the DAW over the last few months because they hadn't been backing up their server; and that their programmers are now working around the clock to re-do all of their work.

People!

Go to a different pub or don't listen again to people who have no clue about how a programming company does their stuff. The "We Heard it Down the Pub" box of CM either IS their joke corner or it should be understood as this. This is simply hilarious.

Shogger