KVR Audio

Solaris · Post by **Solaris** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:12 am

I'm looking for some editors and librarians that run under Mac OS X (Intel) for the following devices:

Akai XE8
Casio CZ1000
Casio VZ10M
Kawai K1r
Korg DW8000
Roland Alpha Juno 1
Roland U220
Yamaha RY30
Yamaha TX81Z

If anyone knows of any editors or librarians for these devices, that would be much appreciated

Thanks in advance

dry bones · Post by **dry bones** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:29 am

The only thing that springs to mind is Sysex Librarian. I don't know how useful that would be to you, I only used it to update my Nova IIX OS, but it is free.

Solaris · Post by **Solaris** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:31 am

Thanks for that

I have that librarian program, but it has no edit features. I remember the Atari version of Cubase had a mixer map, a lot of keyboards were supported on there, you could use it to program sounds as well as realtime control. Some things were so much easier back in the black & white days. I reckon I need to start looking for another Atari if nothing useful shows up for the Mac.

beej · Post by **beej** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:19 pm

I use the-company-formerly-known-as-emagic's Soundiver - it will do most of those, but you'd need to own Logic to use it.

The XE8 was not editable over sysex I don't think, and the RY30 might use the same sysex format as the RM50, which is supported. All the others are supported. SD3 is PPC but runs under Rosetta without any particular performance penalties.

Solaris · Post by **Solaris** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:43 pm

beej wrote:I use the-company-formerly-known-as-emagic's Soundiver - it will do most of those, but you'd need to own Logic to use it.

The XE8 was not editable over sysex I don't think, and the RY30 might use the same sysex format as the RM50, which is supported. All the others are supported. SD3 is PPC but runs under Rosetta without any particular performance penalties.

Thanks for that, but after quite a few searches, I can't seem to find it anywhere (just obsolete versions) I'm running OS X 10.4.10 on Intel.

I'm seriously thinking I'd be better off with an old Atari ST again, just seems such a big step backwards in a modern world. Plus those things leave such a huge footprint in the studio

beej · Post by **beej** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:49 pm

Like I say, you can only use the SD3 public beta if you have an XSkey (ie, you own Logic Pro).

It can be freely downloaded from:
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Su ... 02.app.sit

It works on PPC and MacIntel, but it's not a current or supoprted product anymore. I've used it for years, starting with the Atari version 1.x, then on PC and then Mac OSX.

ninedayswonder99 · Post by **ninedayswonder99** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:23 pm

Solaris wrote:I'm looking for some editors and librarians that run under Mac OS X (Intel) for the following devices:
Roland Alpha Juno 1

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19984

Here's is an editor for Alpha Juno.

Solaris · Post by **Solaris** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:30 pm

Shame it's the only software option, and Apple have limited it like that.

The choices are either get an old Atari for a few quid off ebay, or buy Logic Pro for silly money. After spending out on Ableton 6, the latter option seems a no-brainer. The other alternative is to go back to PC (choke choke) and an early version of Cubase VST.

Are there any Mac developers here working on anything like this?

Solaris · Post by **Solaris** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:33 pm

ninedayswonder99 wrote:
Solaris wrote:I'm looking for some editors and librarians that run under Mac OS X (Intel) for the following devices:
Roland Alpha Juno 1
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19984

Here's is an editor for Alpha Juno.

Nice one!!! That's absolutely superb!!!

Next modules I really want to get into are the Kawai K1r and the Roland U220, as the front panel editing is rather tedious.

I'm off to have a go on the juno now.

Thanks again

beej · Post by **beej** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:40 pm

Actually, I wouldn't even bother trying to edit the K1, it's a really limited synth, no filters. You can basically choose from the waveforms (which are either dreadfully dull single cycle waves - and no filtering remember) or a small handful of 8-bit samples, envelope them, and that's about it really. Hardly worth the effort...

ninedayswonder99 · Post by **ninedayswonder99** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:53 pm

Solaris wrote:Nice one!!! That's absolutely superb!!! Next modules I really want to get into are the Kawai K1r and the Roland U220, as the front panel editing is rather tedious.
I'm off to have a go on the juno now.
Thanks again

Here's one for your Casio CZ1000 and Yamaha TX81Z (and Juno also) and a lot of other synths. The installation is on PC a bit unclear, but I managed with help from some other Forum members. Don't know how it is for OSX. You've got to have Java installed.

http://www.jsynthlib.org/

Success!

Jos

ninedayswonder99 · Post by **ninedayswonder99** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:09 pm

Solaris wrote: The choices are either get an old Atari for a few quid off ebay, or buy Logic Pro for silly money.

Well, I still use and love the Atari. Pity there's no good Atari emulator for OSX (Hatari only supports midi out) Steem for Windows is splendid.

But Cubase 4 (and SX3) still supports hardware. The Midi Device Panels are even better than the old mixermaps. You can import mixermaps. It's like having a VST of your hardware inside Cubase. Cubase 4 is not cheap though

Solaris · Post by **Solaris** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:32 pm

ninedayswonder99 wrote:
Solaris wrote: The choices are either get an old Atari for a few quid off ebay, or buy Logic Pro for silly money.
Well, I still use and love the Atari. Pity there's no good Atari emulator for OSX (Hatari only supports midi out) Steem for Windows is splendid.

But Cubase 4 (and SX3) still supports hardware. The Midi Device Panels are even better than the old mixermaps. You can import mixermaps. It's like having a VST of your hardware inside Cubase. Cubase 4 is not cheap though

Mixermaps have been a feature in Cubase since the early '90s Atari versions, I used them all through the '90s myself, they have been there ever since. However, Steinberg decided to drop sysex support from SX at v1. the feature was also missing from v2. I put up a post on their forums about it at the time, and even after 1000 replies, we still had no official word from the developers. It was at this time I jumped ship.

I'd consider buying a current version of Cubase if the feature was implemented again. If so, can you write your own sysex strings like you could on the ST version?

ninedayswonder99 · Post by **ninedayswonder99** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:05 pm

Solaris wrote:I'd consider buying a current version of Cubase if the feature was implemented again. If so, can you write your own sysex strings like you could on the ST version?

Midi device panels are 'back' since SX3 and even better in Cubase 4 (not available in the cheaper versions like SL and Studio 4). Yes, you can write your own sysex and create your own versions. Some users are rather good at it:

http://www.cykong.com/CubaseSX/SXpanels.htm

He has made a device panel for Kawai K1. You can also import your old Cubase mixermaps. Cykong is talking about SX3, a friend of mine is a professional user of Cubase 4 and says it's even better now.

Solaris · Post by **Solaris** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:44 pm

That looks great... Shame I never stayed about to reap the rewards of the sysex thread I posted on their forums. But without any word from the developers, I just lost faith in them.

Anyway, I reckon I'll be going for Cubase 4. The only thing I don't like about it is the dongle; something that's easily lost if I'm taking my laptop around with me, and also easily left at home (sort of thing you realise when you're on the train somewhere) I wish they would abolish it, it doesn't stop crackers, just slows the program down as it needs to address the USB port whenever a function is requested.

However, that aside. I think it might be worthwhile buying this.

Hardware editors/librarians - OS X