dis-qualify

[rachmiel]

first, apologies vurt for having your thread hijacked. it's ironic, since you started the thread to get away from the voting debate. this will be my last posting on the subject to this thread. if anyone wants to continue the discussion pm me. :-)

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> Any contest is essentially a battle and is based on destructing the opponent. Your "anthology" would be something opposite, building something together. I don't see how these would mix-up. These are different games and they serve different needs.

good point. perhaps they can peacefully co-exist?

> How about you run an "anthology on a theme" game alongside the already running "contest game"? No fighting, no voting. As a common award, in the end the collective would e.g. put the all entries together into an album and make it available for free somewhere with cover art, bells and whistles and stuff

it's a good idea and might work.

but here's the problem. the kvr contest is a solid established community. if someone started a new monthly kvr compilation, my guess is it would fizzle ... perhaps not right away, but eventually ... because most people like the contest and don't have the time to do two pieces a month. so the other compilation would devolve into a poor man's version of the contest, which would be depressing.

i really like the contest gang, and like the feeling of being part of it. i submit pieces, some of which 'give' something valuable to others, listen to all the pieces, submit reviews ... so i'm not strolling into the contest in a snotty way and taking without giving back.

i just don't like to vote, that's all. it's not my MISSION to spread the word about the 'evils of voting' or anything goofy like that, it's just my preference. if the contest required voting, i'd either drop out or vote (probably the latter). but it doesn't. if i got the sense that it really bothered most contest guys when people didn't vote, i'd probably also start voting. my goal is NOT to be disliked/rejected by the guys in the contest; i LIKE them! but my sense is that some think it's bad not to vote, others think it's cool, and others don't care either way.

the fact that a few people screamed insults at me is not 'proof' that MOST contest guys are strongly against not voting. if you feel really passionate about this, want the contest to be a winners-kill-all affair (like a video game or american idol), then i feel you need to prove that not voting is held to be very bad form by the majority. a poll would do it. but at least 20 contest 'regulars' (names we'd all recognize) need to vote ... or the results won't mean much of anything.

[vurt]

I listened

poor lad

[vurt]

Cool stuff Vurt, nice early Autechre feel with some Confield style touches. There are few people that wouldn't offend me if they tried to do an Autechre influenced track but you pulled it off nicely. It retains enough Vurt-ness to keep from sounding contrived.

Thanks for the cool sounds.
3am

indeed, the intent was to emulate not copy, rather than trying to sound exactly the same i just followed some techniques i had read about from the incanabula sessions, where they would take a 5 second piece of audio and chop it to make all the sounds. so lots of chopping of audio rather than the usual feeding samples in to reaktor
also i wouldnt try to "emulate" anyone normally but that was the challenge of the comp

[vurt]

I don't care about getting or giving votes, 2-minute-limits and other regulations.

But if others do, that's just legitimate. Those who don't want votes to be "stolen" from deliberately disqualified people do have a point. And the fun lovers don't have the right to spoil the fun of those who take the contest seriously...

So I retreat from the contest for good.

I think the best thing for everyone would be to leave the contest to those who take it seriously and to mark your songs as "out of contest" if you just contribute for fun.

which is what i have done here, removed my piece from the contest so as not to "steal" votes from anyone else, not that i wasnt going to vote but i have more than enough software so am not really interested in the winning...
i had just contributed for the sake of meeting the challenge, it would be nice to have been involved in the feedback side of things from other people doing the same challenge, its ok posting here in the cafe, which has been suggested from some in the comp, but as much as i like the feedback i get here its generally from people who choose to listen to my output, one might use the word "fans" or on the other side idiots who just drop some negative comment rather than actual criticism.
i had hoped that the people in the contest would be more open when it came to listening and commenting and actually constructively criticising that which they dont like unlike the negative comments i mentioned above.

but yes in future i will check the contest theme and if it takes my fancy will rise to the challenge and post seperate from the contest

[vurt]

> I think the best thing for everyone would be to leave the contest to those who take it seriously and to mark your songs as "out of contest" if you just contribute for fun

makes sense and shows respect to those who are into the voting. it's pretty much what i did (from the submission):



(added after voting 'debate' extravaganza in gossip thread: i'm going to review entries that resonate with me this month, but i'm not going to vote; for my reasons see top of page 16 in gossip. if this bothers you, then please feel free not to even consider voting for my piece. i'm perfectly happy if you just listen to it (and review it if you feel it deserves a review). )



think i'll bring up your idea in the main thread.

i think my previous reply answers this post also.

[vurt]

grabbed but not listened, muppet.

listen or die mofo, or i send the anthill mob round

[vurt]

I think the best thing for everyone would be to leave the contest to those who take it seriously and to mark your songs as "out of contest" if you just contribute for fun.

Oh lookie, I think someone completely missed the original point of the competition.

its not so much about the point of the contest, its more about the "mob" attitude, fair enough debate the ideals behind why or why not to vote, but the bullying and namecalling, well for me made it "not fun". like i said from here on in ill take the challenges but not bother with the contest proper.

[vurt]

this didn't remind me so much of autechre but i do like the piece. i'm very interested in 'free groove' ... music that teases/flirts with the grid rather than submitting to it.

emulate not imitate

[vurt]

> original point

perhaps. but intentions can, and very often do, change. couldn't you think of the contest as evolving into a monthly anthology of pieces around a theme, some of which are entered into a contest, some not?

could be a good idea but as you pint out later it would fall apart before too long.

although i think you missed seans meaning

[vurt]

Any contest is essentially a battle and is based on destructing the opponent.

allegros at dawn?

[Polite Company]

which is what i have done here, removed my piece from the contest so as not to "steal" votes from anyone else, not that i wasnt going to vote but i have more than enough software so am not really interested in the winning...
i had just contributed for the sake of meeting the challenge, it would be nice to have been involved in the feedback side of things from other people doing the same challenge, its ok posting here in the cafe, which has been suggested from some in the comp, but as much as i like the feedback i get here its generally from people who choose to listen to my output, one might use the word "fans" or on the other side idiots who just drop some negative comment rather than actual criticism.
i had hoped that the people in the contest would be more open when it came to listening and commenting and actually constructively criticising that which they dont like unlike the negative comments i mentioned above.

but yes in future i will check the contest theme and if it takes my fancy will rise to the challenge and post seperate from the contest

Perhaps we could petition for a sticky in the Music Cafe for people who like the theme of the month but either don't want to enter the competition or don't finish on time. This would take the onus off of someone in particular from running the show but would still create a holding house that anyone could contribute to and receive feedback (hopefully nice).

[vurt]

a sticky all for me

[Meffy]

Attila the Sticky Bun.

[runagate]

grabbed but not listened, muppet.

listen or die mofo, or i send the anthill mob round

Oh, I will listen. And archive in case I even lose it. Just really, really busy which will stop happening in October. Heading into shift 2 of 5 this weekend at work

To the best of my knowledge I've kept every song you've posted here in the Cafe since I first replied to one of your song threads. Though I appreciate the idea of the anthill mob finding me all the way across the ocean. They can't swim

[vurt]

you fool, the anthill mob are new yorkers, thats why i chose them and not the bash street kids.

i get majorly busy from oct 1st, back at school fulltime plus sound desk for casino house bands