i said the event routing stuff and updated patch format would take a few hours - implementing gsoto's gui perfectly will take a number of days of work.
XHip--Please finish your synth!!
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
at this point i can pretty much start on gsoto's gui at any moment. i've got all the functions he needs (well, for his last draft version) working great. i do not want to pressure him though - there genuinely are more important things to do. if he came one day and said "here is the final draft, here are the tables of numbers, here are the other pieces of information - this is everything" i would definitely start working on it right then. that though would be for him, so that he could see what his hard effort has accomplished as quickly as possible. it wouldnt be for anybody else, especially not the complainers
i said the event routing stuff and updated patch format would take a few hours - implementing gsoto's gui perfectly will take a number of days of work.
i said the event routing stuff and updated patch format would take a few hours - implementing gsoto's gui perfectly will take a number of days of work.
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- KVRian
- 607 posts since 20 Oct, 2005
If I wanted to code a synth up I prolly would but that's not my bag I prefer to make music as opposed to the toolz that create them.aciddose wrote: you really need to code your own synth and then you'll have somewhat of a clue of what you're talking about
too late for what? to satisfy you?
oh no, my charity doesnt please aquar, boo hoo
if the synth is already good enough except for the gui, you should use it with your eyes closed.
When I say too late I don't mean for me.
And err charity begins @home, you owe me nothing. lol
Anyway with a good control surface most of us could re-map a synth to our own personal preference, alas in the meanwhile we are at the mercy of what we are given, its no big deal if I dislike your design anymore than it is for you to dislike my mindset.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
why dont you use one of the many available systems to design your own gui, then?
the truth is all you want to do is bitch about it, and if that is the case i cant really do anything other than ignore you. i've already explained to you what the process will be ten times before now, and i'm really no longer going to be patient with you.
aquar, write your own gui. i'll implement it. i need all the x,y numbers and colors. what are you waiting for? you'd better get busy before it's too late.
guess what, i've already written more than one. if you do not like mine, piss off.
the truth is all you want to do is bitch about it, and if that is the case i cant really do anything other than ignore you. i've already explained to you what the process will be ten times before now, and i'm really no longer going to be patient with you.
aquar, write your own gui. i'll implement it. i need all the x,y numbers and colors. what are you waiting for? you'd better get busy before it's too late.
guess what, i've already written more than one. if you do not like mine, piss off.
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- KVRAF
- 9590 posts since 17 Sep, 2002 from Gothenburg Sweden
I'd like a cup of coffee 9ish tomorrow. Can you fix that ?
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- KVRian
- 607 posts since 20 Oct, 2005
So when the chips are down you aint much better than AQ who you slated for losing the plot. Are you?aciddose wrote:
guess what, i've already written more than one. if you do not like mine, piss off.
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- KVRian
- 533 posts since 16 Jan, 2006 from France
Been a long time I hadnt visited Kvr. Pretty sure if I come next year I'll still see that thread around here : )
Just seeing your name aquar reminded I had built quite a complex patch using one of your preset as a basis, here's a quick demo I did 6 months ago :
http://www.s146380088.onlinehome.fr/Muz ... semble.mp3
I don't mind that much about the GUI, sure it's not the most user-friendly/convenient but I got used to it, what realy I lack is proper event routing to make that patch more expressive.
Just seeing your name aquar reminded I had built quite a complex patch using one of your preset as a basis, here's a quick demo I did 6 months ago :
http://www.s146380088.onlinehome.fr/Muz ... semble.mp3
I don't mind that much about the GUI, sure it's not the most user-friendly/convenient but I got used to it, what realy I lack is proper event routing to make that patch more expressive.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
aquar, what are you talking about? i offered to implement one that you design. you're free to design your own. you're saying i'm a "Hyprocrite" because i refuse to serve you?
"what really I lack is proper event routing to make that patch more expressive"
yeah exactly. the gui would be nice if it were different but at this point it really doesnt have an effect on the functionality what-so-ever. the event routing and patch stuff is much more important. what is aquar complaining about?
i've actually got a better idea of how to deal with him.
ok aquar, i'll do exactly what you say. so, tell me, what to do?
"what really I lack is proper event routing to make that patch more expressive"
yeah exactly. the gui would be nice if it were different but at this point it really doesnt have an effect on the functionality what-so-ever. the event routing and patch stuff is much more important. what is aquar complaining about?
i've actually got a better idea of how to deal with him.
ok aquar, i'll do exactly what you say. so, tell me, what to do?
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- KVRAF
- 4054 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Hamilton, New Zealand
Okay, everybody just calm the f**k down.
Nobody owes anybody anything here, and that point needs to be re-iterated. Bringing up AQ was not a solid move.
Unless someone here is willing to actually pay aciddose for his labours, stop goddamn poking him. I know from experience that this sort of bullshit is what makes free developers stop bothering to HELP YOU.
As for aciddose, this is your thread, but I suggest you take a break from it - take this project back to yourself, rather than bothering to clear up other people's requests or anything else. If it's still worth it to you to develop it, I'm sure the people who matter will appreciate your hard work (which, folks, he is doing for no money, just love).
Hope this helps-
if it doesn't, feel free to mute me.
Cheers,
m@
Nobody owes anybody anything here, and that point needs to be re-iterated. Bringing up AQ was not a solid move.
Unless someone here is willing to actually pay aciddose for his labours, stop goddamn poking him. I know from experience that this sort of bullshit is what makes free developers stop bothering to HELP YOU.
As for aciddose, this is your thread, but I suggest you take a break from it - take this project back to yourself, rather than bothering to clear up other people's requests or anything else. If it's still worth it to you to develop it, I'm sure the people who matter will appreciate your hard work (which, folks, he is doing for no money, just love).
Hope this helps-
if it doesn't, feel free to mute me.
Cheers,
m@
I make music: progressive-acoustic | electronica/game-soundtrack work | progressive alt-metal
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Win 10/11 Simplifier | Also, Specialized C++ containers
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
it is hard to get me mad and it is also quickly settled once i get to thinking about it. if he wants to be stupid i can beat him at his own game. we'll have an offtopic forum thread called "please tell me what to do great master aquar". the truth is he hasnt got a clue what i should do, he doesnt have a clue what he is talking about at all.
i'm being honest though - aquar, if you can tell me step by step in great detail exactly what to do (tell me the motions of my arms in polar coordinates if you prefer, or write out the quaternions and translation vectors for me!) i'll do it. just tell me.
truthfully, you do not write your own code because you CANT. it isnt because you "prefer to use the tools, not create them" it is because you have absolutely no clue of how to create the tools. if you do, please accept my sincere apologizes and inform me of that which i'm unaware.
i'm being honest though - aquar, if you can tell me step by step in great detail exactly what to do (tell me the motions of my arms in polar coordinates if you prefer, or write out the quaternions and translation vectors for me!) i'll do it. just tell me.
truthfully, you do not write your own code because you CANT. it isnt because you "prefer to use the tools, not create them" it is because you have absolutely no clue of how to create the tools. if you do, please accept my sincere apologizes and inform me of that which i'm unaware.
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- KVRian
- 673 posts since 15 Nov, 2004 from Montevideo, Uruguay
No big deal, acid. Don't get emotional 
I'm working on the GUI (and _still_ highly motivated, aquar). I was hoping to complete the design over these days but I'm afraid I'll have to drop it down for a while to do other stuff. I'll return to it as soon as possible. Thanks to all for the interest.
I'm working on the GUI (and _still_ highly motivated, aquar
). I was hoping to complete the design over these days but I'm afraid I'll have to drop it down for a while to do other stuff. I'll return to it as soon as possible. Thanks to all for the interest.-
- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
good to hear you've got the gui nearly worked out. have you been writing up the numbers like i asked? that is really the majority of the work.
it is a lot of effort i know to design stuff and get it looking right. for me though, i'll spend almost all of my time entering the numbers for the widget coordinates so if you can supply those it'll be great.
if you havent bothered to do that during the design process you do not have to worry.. it would be nice if you can give me a general layout in coordinates though, for the block sizes at least.
no rush, i should really be working on the patches and event routing stuff. i've made good progress there and soon i'll be able to write up a text file loading function which will allow people to set up the event routing stuff without having it on the gui. (it'll work like the cc stuff for the gui colors.)
for you again aquar: the reason i've spent some time working on the "linux version" is that having flexible code means it is also more stable. that may not make sense to you, but think about this: if you never try to bend a stick you'll never know at which point it may break. that is why writing the linux code helps - it makes the whole thing better.
there are not seperate versions, the linux and windows code is the same. the linux "version" doesnt require any extra code to be written. if you try the "linux version" you'll probably see that it actually is hard to tell the difference between the "linux vst" version and the windows dll running under wine. as i've worked on the code in linux i've found problems with the code - in general, not just in linux - that have gone without being addressed.
it is very difficult to explain to you assuming that you know absolutely nothing about writing code or any of the process which is involved. like i said you should learn to write your own code and you'll begin after a number of years to understand some of what i've told you.
it is a lot of effort i know to design stuff and get it looking right. for me though, i'll spend almost all of my time entering the numbers for the widget coordinates so if you can supply those it'll be great.
if you havent bothered to do that during the design process you do not have to worry.. it would be nice if you can give me a general layout in coordinates though, for the block sizes at least.
no rush, i should really be working on the patches and event routing stuff. i've made good progress there and soon i'll be able to write up a text file loading function which will allow people to set up the event routing stuff without having it on the gui. (it'll work like the cc stuff for the gui colors.)
for you again aquar: the reason i've spent some time working on the "linux version" is that having flexible code means it is also more stable. that may not make sense to you, but think about this: if you never try to bend a stick you'll never know at which point it may break. that is why writing the linux code helps - it makes the whole thing better.
there are not seperate versions, the linux and windows code is the same. the linux "version" doesnt require any extra code to be written. if you try the "linux version" you'll probably see that it actually is hard to tell the difference between the "linux vst" version and the windows dll running under wine. as i've worked on the code in linux i've found problems with the code - in general, not just in linux - that have gone without being addressed.
it is very difficult to explain to you assuming that you know absolutely nothing about writing code or any of the process which is involved. like i said you should learn to write your own code and you'll begin after a number of years to understand some of what i've told you.
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- KVRian
- 673 posts since 15 Nov, 2004 from Montevideo, Uruguay
All the numbers will be there, when it's ready.
It doesn't make much sense to gather them while I'm on the process because things change constantly. Once the design is completely finished It won't take more than a few hours to write them up (you'll have to tell me exactly how you want them written).
It doesn't make much sense to gather them while I'm on the process because things change constantly. Once the design is completely finished It won't take more than a few hours to write them up (you'll have to tell me exactly how you want them written).