KVR Audio

lestblight · Post by **lestblight** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:10 pm

So I am fairly new to sampling and doing my own drums- I was using loops for a bit but decided to start making my own .. which brought me to sites like BIG FISH AUDIO ..

I use Cubase sl3 and c4- For samplers I have battery and Kontakt (which I don't use).

My question is what formats can I purchase? I see things listed as "Loops/REX/WAV/RMX " or "NNXT/AIFF/Audio/EXS24/HALion/Kontakt/Apple "

what is the difference?
Which can I use for battery?
What is rmx?

Thanks in advance-

C00kie · Post by **C00kie** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:19 pm

Battery supports AIFF, Akai, LM-4, Reaktor MAP, SF2, WAV.
Kontakt supports ACIDized WAV, AIFF, Akai, AppleLoops, Battery, EMU, EXS24, Giga, HALion, Kontakt, LM-4, Reaktor MAP, REX, REX2, Roland, SDII, SF2, sfz, SND, STS, WAV

If you have the option, get the Kontakt format. When in doubt: WAV will always work anywhere (except maybe on an Apple)

REX and NNXT come from Reason I think. Never heard of the RMX format...

Oh, the difference... It starts with WAV and AIFF: just raw samples and no extra info embedded. Perfect for single drum hits.

Acid added extra info in WAV files (tempo, key, loop points) and made ACIDized WAV. REX is simular: the raw sample plus extra info.

The next step is to make a collection of WAVs and add instrument info: attack/decay times, LFO and filter settings, multiple samples per velocity or key range. This is the territory of soundfonts and more advanced sample players like Kontakt / Giga / Halion.

metamorphosis · Post by **metamorphosis** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:45 am

I use Cubase sl3 and c4- For samplers I have battery and Kontakt (which I don't use).

*cough*warez*

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:10 pm

"simular" is not a word. "similar" is, though... (It's starting to grate on me...)

C00kie · Post by **C00kie** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:47 am

pljones wrote:"simular" is not a word. "similar" is, though... (It's starting to grate on me...)

Noted...

stk · Post by **stk** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:02 am

metamorphosis wrote:
I use Cubase sl3 and c4- For samplers I have battery and Kontakt (which I don't use).
*cough*warez*

Why the assumption?
you guys are such a bunch of old ladies sometimes

metamorphosis · Post by **metamorphosis** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:47 am

stk wrote:
metamorphosis wrote:
I use Cubase sl3 and c4- For samplers I have battery and Kontakt (which I don't use).
*cough*warez*
Why the assumption?
you guys are such a bunch of old ladies sometimes

Developers deserve to feed their children too, stk (and give the above statement I assume that stands for something like 'stupid kid').
Do you honestly think anybody who had actually forked out for one of these rather expensive products would not have done this research -before- buying *one* of them???
Cheers,
M@

stk · Post by **stk** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:00 am

Er, yeah I could see someone buying Kontakt on hype alone, and then not using it due to it's learning curve. Then again, you may be right.

But to just assume the worst - warez - is foolish and prudish. In the real world the hysterical warez cops around here are like those annoying neighbours bitching endlessly about scruffy lawns and local bylaws. sheesh.

not after a war here. /sk

1-2-Many · Post by **1-2-Many** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:52 am

stk wrote:Er, yeah I could see someone buying Kontakt on hype alone, and then not using it due to it's learning curve. Then again, you may be right.

/sk

FWIW I did that very thing with Reaktor

chickeneps · Post by **chickeneps** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:23 pm

lestblight wrote:So I am fairly new to sampling and doing my own drums- I was using loops for a bit but decided to start making my own .. which brought me to sites like BIG FISH AUDIO... My question is what formats can I purchase? I see things listed as "Loops/REX/WAV/RMX " or "NNXT/AIFF/Audio/EXS24/HALion/Kontakt/Apple" what is the difference? Which can I use for battery? What is rmx?

"Loops/REX/WAV/RMX" means that the sounds are in straight sound format (WAVE, which is essentially a recording of the loop), and Sliced format (REX). REX means Recycle, which means the content is still the Loop (the straight audio data), but there are slice markers put into the file at strategic points, and they allow a "slice player" (see below) to alter the tempo of the loop without changing the pitch. This is a functional improvement on the WAVE file.

Slice Players (a short list) are Recycle itself, Kontakt (in Beat Machine mod), Stylus RMX, Pro Tools, garage band, and more.

Stylus RMX, from Spectrasonics, loads Recycle files; that's why "RMX" is listed. RMX does have it's own format separate from Recycle, but it's unlikely that Big Fish is distributing those files; you likely have to convert the Recycle files yourself.

"NNXT/AIFF/Audio/EXS24/HALion/Kontakt/Apple" means that the files likely have some multi-sample instrument implementation. That's the NNXT, HALion, Kontakt lingo. That means you would have an accompanying patch file with the loops spread across the keyboard. Or perhaps you'd have the slices spread out (the Groove Control concept) and you can play them yourself to determine groove.

Sort of a dumb question about sample files and samplers...