KVR Audio

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:47 am

- conductivity in metals
- how to become a world class pianist
- etc

The joke's wearing a bit thin now. It was originally mildly amusing to see somebody get it so wrong on so many subjects 100% of the time while being so convinced of their own adequacy.
Now it's like kvr's own jp22 (joshp22?) but without the laffs.

At least put a warning in it's avatar so that newbies aren't confused into thinking that this idiot is a reliable source. On anything.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:49 am

nuffink wrote: Now it's like kvr's own jp22 (joshp22?) but without the laffs.

laserbeak · Post by **laserbeak** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:53 am

lol.
man i'm pissed they chose spielberg to make the new transformers movie. but you're right, it did sell. it can't touch the 80s movie though.

anyway, tony, don't think i'm backing josh up, i was just going by the facts that i've seen....

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:05 am

man i'm pissed they chose spielberg to make the new transformers movie

he didn't 'make' it, however he's making the new indiana jones. On one hand he seems to have aged better than Lucas, on the other hand when Spielberg makes serious movies they're good, but when he makes entertainment it's bad.

joshhunsaker · Post by **joshhunsaker** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:09 am

i don't know...i think reading yours and nufflinks reactions are half the fun.
maybe i can see how many times i can get you guys to say the word "idiot". Maybe you need thesaurus' because that part is getting somewhat boring.

joshhunsaker · Post by **joshhunsaker** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:11 am

p.s.
you guys don't need my permission to mute me. it's ok - go ahead. you're big boys, you can do it.

laserbeak · Post by **laserbeak** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:18 am

joshhunsaker wrote:p.s.
you guys don't need my permission to mute me. it's ok - go ahead. you're big boys, you can do it.

you might a bit unnecessarily rude, but at least unlike nuffink, you've actually contributed to the topic

joshhunsaker · Post by **joshhunsaker** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:23 am

<sigh> no one liked the evidence i gave for the hypersonic effect either. no love i tell you.

OverDose · Post by **OverDose** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:27 am

laserbeak · Post by **laserbeak** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:05 am

OverDose wrote:

don't pay attention to him, he only exists on this to post pictures and smileys

OverDose · Post by **OverDose** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:09 am

laserbeak wrote:
OverDose wrote:
don't pay attention to him, he only exists on this to post pictures and smileys

joshhunsaker · Post by **joshhunsaker** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:46 am

it would seem so...

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:46 am

Chris Walton wrote:
Funkstar De Luxe wrote:I've only read the first few pages of this thread - stopping at the flame war - so please bear with me. The re sampling algorithm is a major factor in the sound here. Why don't you use the free .dll from Voxengo? It's very best free re sampler I have heard. Is it technically impossible? Or Problems due to licensing?
Ooh, that looks pretty neat. Yeah, actually it seems like it's something I could use, although I'd definetely make using it optional, and still support my own up/downsampling algorithms...

so how does oversampler.os_r8_2.dll sound, for 2x oversampling using r8brain.dll?

Funkstar De Luxe wrote:This is a very interesting plugin you've made here, I'd love to see it blossom.
Thanks.

Great to see such a plugin by you. I haven't had the time to read this thread in detail but I seem to recall something about releasing the source out in the wild? if you intend to go that way you might as well have a look at possible (off-line?) resampling improvements to your plugin from here: http://www.lcscanada.com/audiomove/

it's technically a step above the very old r8brain free version (if you want data I can provide), and the libraries themselves are reasonably well documented.

Sam@Megablastic · Post by **Sam@Megablastic** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:17 am

I agree that running projects at 192khz is at the point of very diminishing returns, in fact I would love to be able to run my projects at say 60khz if it were possible. Just high enough to get rid of the aliasing filter cutoff...whatever the term is called.

I don't claim to know enough on the whole dsp aliasing subject....but I do
know to my ears what sounds better.

I understand that not all synth require oversampling, my virus ti aliases all over the place really badly, but that is part of it's sound. But synths like FM7 work really well at higher freqs (as was said by Tony before because FM benefits the most from oversampling), Imposcar has a greatly improved sound at 88/96khz, all the Aturia stuff does, Vanguard sounds better when run at higher frequencies....even though there is an oversampling option I think, or at least a non aliasing mode...it still sounds better when run at 88/96.

Eq's, most crappy cheap sounding eq's sound so much better when run at 88/96, there is even a good improvement when run at 48khz instead of 44khz.

Compressors probably show the least amount of improvement, but they do show a usable and worthwhile amount of improvement at higher sample rates. The Uad 1176 seems to gel better and feel a bit snappier at 88/96, in fact the 33609 neve comp uses nearly all my card because it oversamples to 192khz...there is the option of running the 33609se light weight version that runs at 44khz. The difference is night and day between those two.

I still believe that aliasing has a knock down affect, in that the harmonies of a freq that maybe you won't be able to hear i.e 20khz, gets sent back down the audio spectrum making it audible to some. It might be small to some people, but with every effect,synth,vsti etc you use in a mix that aliasing get's added and added.

This for me is the reason why tunes done in the box have that glassy vsti sound, although a lot of it is also people running their channels too hot in their daw.

Take Kontakt 2, the standard algo for resampling makes samples played over an octave sound like crap....but put the perfect quality algo on, and all that harshness goes away (talking about a straight saw wave here).

Regardless of whether someone has the qualifications to know what they are on about or not, being rude and pompous rather than polite and having a good discussion is just...well ...rude. We can't all be right, but we can at least be civil, professional and have a good topic without putting each other down.

I work at 88khz because I feel the extra cpu hit is worth the hearing gains I get. That's it really in a nutshell, it just sounds better to my ears. No one has to agree, I'm not preaching just giving my view.

So many vsti's just sound the same these days...it's hard to put my finger on it...they just sound glassy and I find that running them at higher sample rates takes a lot of that glassyness away.

Oh and reverbs tend to shine nicely at higher sample rates as well

Like I said before, I think 60khz would be a good compromise with vsti's etc, but the choices are 44/48/88/96 etc I do believe that 192khz is total over kill though.

hesnotthemessiah · Post by **hesnotthemessiah** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:43 am

Using EnergyXT1 and Cubase VST5. Oversampler V1.2 works great here inside my EnergyXT plugins with Cubase VST5 as my main host. Also briefly tried V1.2 inside EnergyXT running as a host for my plugins on another PC (triggered via midi by Cubase) and all seems fine. The system you use of renaming the oversampler.os.dll file works great for me in EnergyXT. This way I can use Oversampler on any plugin regardless of how many audio ins and outs it may have.

Thankyou very, very much!!!

VST Oversampler 1.4 (with SSE/3DNow! support)