AmpliTube Metal - Released THIS month!!!

[hibidy]

yeah midi control is overdue and I think they should give it to you free if you have two or more of the software that it works with.
rsp

How many times do I have to tell you guys, if you own AT2 it's going to be FREE!

jk (I am just messing with the peeps I know on here, I'm done)

Hell, I was willing to pay for it......but since I recently got at2 (thanks to ezsounds) looks like I might not have to pay? coooool

See? By the way, it's esoundz but that's cool.

Ez,

Squidz

www.esoundz.com

Hmmm

A compliment AND plug and I get the zinger..........

[Sascha Franck]

Dude, with all due respect, you don't really get it I don't think. It does much more than any midi controller can do with guitar amp and effects software.

For instance?

And no, you don't need to compare it with other overpriced items. Just tell me what it does that's so special.

[Compyfox]

Sure, to each his own. But the negativity about people getting "screwed" is really strange. IK's crossgrade for all policy is probably the most generous of ANY software developer. So, once you have the facts straight on this stuff I think it is really hard to say what you're saying. Sure, ANYONE can just say it if you don't have the facts understood. But, what good is that?

I didn't say anything about IKM's crossgrade policy, though that is also darn expensive in my opinion. Then again, the fact that they dropped the dongle and offered a couple of "bundle packs" recently made the stuff sure a bit more interesting.

BUT... as somebody else posted already... what will be in like 5 years? Are we forced to get new stuff over and over and over again? Or what about C/R keys (IKM doesn't even have "authorisation pages" for old plugins/VSTi anymore)? Look at the PodXT for example... if you use GearBox and load it up with model packs and used all updates, you have 78Amps, over 40cabinets and tons of effects - in one device that runs without a PC. And best case... forever. But if I look at the recent offered systems, you're bound to a PC.

This is where the collector people come in again. In like 5-10 years you can crank up your Pod and be like "dude this is the shit from the last century, do you remember that?" and it still works... no need to keep an old PC to even fire it up, unlike Amplitube. So in short, you put in a crapload of money for something that you (theoretically) can't use forever.

Of course people might say now "no software lives forever", but we're talking about Amps here... stuff that's a collectors item for guitarists. Line6 did it right and is very generous with their price/effort deals... IKM on the other hand however... is just asking for more and more money for stuff that was demanded by the users right from the start, stuff which was was even promised, and now you have to pay extra yet again. Okay cool, for a grace period you get all that stuff for free. But those people who might jump on it later, as they're short on money or just discovered what's possible from IKM (aka newbies), are forced to go the most expensive way possible, just to realize that like 2 months later another deal comes along with bundles and yet another Amplitube revision.

And in this case I really stick to "to each it's own" and say "I have my Pod/GuitarPort - and I'm stuffed for a while with that".

Anyway, I don't see why anyone has to think so drastically negative as saying someone is screwed. All of these products take time and money to develop and at the end of the day all products in the music industry are offered for a price that the user is either willing or not willing to pay.

True that, but you also have to have an eye on your competitors. Again the comparision with Line6.

IKM offers with Amplitube 2 (alone) like what... 6-8 Preamps, the same ammount of Cabinets, okay a couple of more mics and more flexible routing (however "set" routings), but they ask for 399USD new. Line6 on the other hand asks for 299USD for the TonePort/UX1 GearBox Silver bundle and you get 17Amps, around 15-20 Cabinets, 40 FX stompboxes and a DI for the PC. So what's better in terms of price/effort? Reavalver 2 mkII? Okay that thing is around 299USD IIRC, but you get a lot of flexibility and IMO one of the best Tube-Circruit-Editing ever. NI GuitarRig? 499USD but 15 guitar amps, 6 Bass amps, 9 mics, tons of routing possibilities and a solid metal foot controler.

Do you really think other firms didn't put as much work into sounddesign and presets as IKM? Then why can IKM ask for like 100USD more without a DI box for just a fraction of what other firms (i.e. Line6) have to offer?

It's like Waves, or design ware like Tomy Hilfiger... you pay the name for a elseway fairly cheap product. Of course it's up to you whether or not you'll get it, but look at the market... is this really adjusted? Are you a worse guitar player/engineer if you don't use Amplitube but something else? Does IKM really(!) make a superior sound/product?

Really... I don't get it. Especially those who're saying already "yeah, the usual KVR meme... bitching that the price is too high." I'm just being relistic here.

[BERFAB]

Berfy?

Yes Hinky. You gotta problem with that?

Love,

Squidsy.

sounds like where a squidsy would sleep

I don't see how I could possibly step into the fray on this one without raising hackles. So I won't.

-B

[BERFAB]

yeah midi control is overdue and I think they should give it to you free if you have two or more of the software that it works with.
rsp

How many times do I have to tell you guys, if you own AT2 it's going to be FREE!

jk (I am just messing with the peeps I know on here, I'm done)

Hell, I was willing to pay for it......but since I recently got at2 (thanks to ezsounds) looks like I might not have to pay? coooool

See? By the way, it's esoundz but that's cool.

Ez,

Squidz

www.esoundz.com

Hmmm

A compliment AND plug and I get the zinger..........

hibidy-

I don't really see a zinger here. Squids was just (humorously) correcting the record. Your compliment was generous, but if people go to the wrong site because of the typo, that doesn't do him any good. I thought (and I think most would agree) that this was a very diplomatic way of getting that across.

Cheers
-B

[morelia]

I must admit I always feel a bit screwed by IKM. Seems that if I own quite a few IK products I can get a crossgrade price on everything which is great, but if I own nothing I can get lot's for heaps less than I paid. Or alternatively if I want to buy X plugin, I could have got Y for free a month ago, but there were no plugins that I wanted at that time. Plus, having CSR, AT2 and AT2JH I would be willing to bet the price I'll pay for ATME will be the same crossgrade price that an owner of ST1LE could get.

I'd like to be proven wrong though. Still like they say, buy it or don't, it's my choice. Just seems a but unfair to repeat customers is all.

[hibidy]

hibidy-

I don't really see a zinger here. Squids was just (humorously) correcting the record. Your compliment was generous, but if people go to the wrong site because of the typo, that doesn't do him any good. I thought (and I think most would agree) that this was a very diplomatic way of getting that across.

Cheers
-B

and I was just humorously being a pain in the ass..........which he's used to

However, I'm getting tired of people like you telling me "how to feel" all the time

[BERFAB]

-B

[beergeek]

Line6 did it right and is very generous with their price/effort deals... IKM on the other hand however... is just asking for more and more money for stuff that was demanded by the users right from the start, stuff which was was even promised, and now you have to pay extra yet again. Okay cool, for a grace period you get all that stuff for free. But those people who might jump on it later, as they're short on money or just discovered what's possible from IKM (aka newbies), are forced to go the most expensive way possible, just to realize that like 2 months later another deal comes along with bundles and yet another Amplitube revision.

Dude, don't revise history. Line6 had a "limited time" discount for existing GP/TP/POD users for the Gearbox plugin. I was short, didn't get it and now if I want it, I have to pay $200. So don't talk about how generous they were.

True that, but you also have to have an eye on your competitors. Again the comparision with Line6.

IKM offers with Amplitube 2 (alone) like what... 6-8 Preamps, the same ammount of Cabinets, okay a couple of more mics and more flexible routing (however "set" routings), but they ask for 399USD new. Line6 on the other hand asks for 299USD for the TonePort/UX1 GearBox Silver bundle and you get 17Amps, around 15-20 Cabinets, 40 FX stompboxes and a DI for the PC. So what's better in terms of price/effort?...Do you really think other firms didn't put as much work into sounddesign and presets as IKM? Then why can IKM ask for like 100USD more without a DI box for just a fraction of what other firms (i.e. Line6) have to offer?

You've got the numbers way wrong but your point is kinda correct...I bought a UX1 a long time ago. I also bought the Powerpack so I got a ton more amps/stomps/effects in my Line6 rig than I do with AT2. But I have way less flexibility on what I can use and in what order with Gearbox than I do with AT2. If I bought the Gearbox plugin now, I would have spent over $400 total when I only spent around $200 on AT2. So I think your "fraction" math is a bit fuzzy

BTW, the $299 you quote is the "street" for the Silver bundle with a DI box, not the UX1 and the "street" on AT2 is $319 so there's really only $20 difference.

And for the record since the price is comparable you get:

14 pre-amps and 7 power amps with AT2 = 21 amps but in reality 14 heads with a lot of flexibilty.
Gearbox - 23 amps

AT2 - 16 Cabs
GB - 29

AT2 - 6 mic choices and multiple postions.
GB - I can't remember but I think it's 3 mics and only 1 has 2 positions.

Gearbox has 6 mic pre amps
AT2 has none.

AT2 - 21 stomps + 11 rack effects
GB - 29 stomps + effects

With AT2 you can use 12 stomps, 8 rack effects, 2 amps and 2 cabs.
With GB you can use a fairly rigid combination of up to 10 stomp/effects, 1 amp, 1 cab.

With the GB you get a DI box.
With AT2 you don't.

Don't anyone get me wrong...I'm not knockin' Line6, I like my Line6 stuff. I also like my IK stuff.

I just think when you start quoting numbers of amps and prices and shit in comparisons you should have your numbers straight. I also think if you're going to talk about generosity and the lack thereof, you should have that info straight as well. Should we talk about how generous NI was when the UB updates came? I believe that was a "limited time offer" as well wasn't it?

Overall my point is, I think you should get your facts straight if your going to present things as facts, that's all.

You have the complete right to feel any way you want about IK and their policies. You also have the right to call me an ass for calling you on this. Mostly because I am an ass but that's beside the point. You don't have the right to say things as IF they were fact when they're not.

[hibidy]

I'd like to add at this point in time I'm so happy with at2, jhe, and svx most of the time........they bring a happy tear!

seriously. Having this new ability to do some mix/match coming up is just icing.

[hibidy]

-B

what it means is that I just don't say shitty, mean, lame, things enough to get the negative attention I'm getting lately. On the contrary, I try to be civil and though I might disagree with someone (ok, I disagree allot! ) I am not a f**king troll like some of the other mean-ass pos blurpers around here. Yet I get too much negative attention and I'm pissed. Capice? There is no need to stick up for squids, he's a big boy.......if he thinks I said something wrong, he can defend himself.

*IF SOMEONE HAS A CONCERN WITH ME PM ME!!!!!!!!!* I'll be more than happy to sort it out without you dragging me through the dirt for all to see when in fact YOU (that is those of you)have the REAL problem or have misunderstood!

Ok?

[zvenx]

yeah midi control is overdue and I think they should give it to you free if you have two or more of the software that it works with.
rsp

How many times do I have to tell you guys, if you own AT2 it's going to be FREE!

jk (I am just messing with the peeps I know on here, I'm done)

yeah but why limited time offer?

suppose the one day they offer it free, I happen not to be in studio
rsp

[Lunch Money]

...some relatively reasonable stuff...

But really... the point is simply that IKMM are fleecing their customers far more than Line6 did. It can be argued that Line6 wasn't 100% wicked-awesome fair with their $200 VST version. But there's no real comparison.

And a lot of comparisons you're making are the very very basic AT2 vs. Gearbox hardware+software combo. I've always maintained that they're difficult products to compare in the first place, so that's not entirely your fault.

But this thread was originally about how cool IKMM was by offering a "combiner/host", but when it turned out to be a paid "upgrade" for functionality that should be the standard in AT2, it has turned into a discussion of the ripoff that is the "host" (whatever it was called) and the 4-amp "Metal" version. With a bit of $1100 foot-controller/interface thrown in. If you want to talk about gouging the customer, IKMM is setting the new standard.

Greg

[Sascha Franck]

With a bit of $1100 foot-controller/interface thrown in. If you want to talk about gouging the customer, IKMM is setting the new standard.

Really, that Stomp I/O thing must be the biggest joke on earth for the price.
I mean, with my rusty Rolls MIDI Buddy I can at least call up 10 patches without ever having to switch a bank. The Stomp I/O offers 4.
With a proper MIDI pedal such as the Rocktron Patchmate, you can do almost exactly the same as with the Stomp I/O. Add a USB audio interface and you're there. Without dodgy USB cables running on the floor. Without *any* sound cables running on the floor.
Oh, you need programmability straight from the unit? Ok, have fun kneeing on the floor, stepping through parameter pages.
Heck, add a Kore unit as a programming thing and you're still below the price they're asking. With TONS more of flexibility.

[stag]

With a bit of $1100 foot-controller/interface thrown in. If you want to talk about gouging the customer, IKMM is setting the new standard.

Really, that Stomp I/O thing must be the biggest joke on earth for the price.
I mean, with my rusty Rolls MIDI Buddy I can at least call up 10 patches without ever having to switch a bank. The Stomp I/O offers 4.
With a proper MIDI pedal such as the Rocktron Patchmate, you can do almost exactly the same as with the Stomp I/O. Add a USB audio interface and you're there. Without dodgy USB cables running on the floor. Without *any* sound cables running on the floor.
Oh, you need programmability straight from the unit? Ok, have fun kneeing on the floor, stepping through parameter pages.
Heck, add a Kore unit as a programming thing and you're still below the price they're asking. With TONS more of flexibility.

No to mention that your Rolls still works. 5 years from now are going to keep an old PC just to run AT2?