AmpliTube Metal - Released THIS month!!!

[beergeek]

Greg, I agree you can't really compare them. I was only trying to correct CompyFox's comparison where he described neither product correctly.

In any case, IK's approach isn't much different than anyone else's...capitalize on your existing product engines. Some charge more, some charge less. In the end, it's what the market will bear...such is capitalism

If people are willing to pay, these products will succeed...if not, they'll have to drop the prices.

--Rob

[Lunch Money]

Sure. But you can still have a reaction to a company's practices, whether they are founded in pure capitalist marketing or not (or maybe BECAUSE they're founded in pure capitalist practices). Nobody's forcing me to spend that money, so there's no crime being committed. But a company has to be prepared for how the public perceives them... it's not all about columns on a ledger. And my perception is that they've crossed the line here. Rolling back the prices as a reaction to backlash isn't a sound marketing approach... it's not as black and white as 1st-year economics "supply and demand." With this move, they've created a particular image to live down.

Greg

[diverdee]

Charging for the midi functionality (even if there is a time limited 'freebie version) seems a tad much (imo).

[Compyfox]

Greg, I agree you can't really compare them. I was only trying to correct CompyFox's comparison where he described neither product correctly.

Corrections good and fine, appreciate it, but I didn't do it just to flame IKM's AT2. It was a general comparision and for that, I don't to "all" numers, especially with GearBox (then again, it's actually 3 mics for the guitar preamps, actually 4 with an SM57 on axis and one off axix - and for bass amp it's also 4 mics - for the mic preamps it's only one mic that looks like a U87 though - so you can say 7 to 8 mics for GearBox).

The 200USD thing for just a "wrapper" is indeed a bit messed up for some (myself included), but on the more contrary side, it was understandable and as I've also written, at some point it even dropped down to 129USD (which wasn't a grace period or something, just one of the many special deals which I also participated in - yup, I was patient). Still if you add up the regular prices for a PodXT or GearBox Silver and then add model packs and the VST version, you're still cheaper off than getting all AT2 VSTi models and the new "combiner" if you're not going the crossgrade route or "bundle deals" for any of them. Which was all I was talking about.

Not to mention that with Line6 and GR2, you'll also have access to a nearly unlimited number of presets made by the firms themselves and fans. GearBox even takes it that far (in standalone mode) to work as a recording and training device, online platform and what not. I might be mistaken, but I barely saw anything similar like that for AT2 (presets I mean).


Also, NI sure wasn't generous with the UB updates (50bucks for it), true, but then again this was something new back then for just the Mac Intel users, and Windows users still paid jack in that section. So it's kind of a lost toothpick or something like that.


But back on topic please.

[BERFAB]

-B

what it means is that I just don't say shitty, mean, lame, things enough to get the negative attention I'm getting lately. On the contrary, I try to be civil and though I might disagree with someone (ok, I disagree allot! ) I am not a f**king troll like some of the other mean-ass pos blurpers around here. Yet I get too much negative attention and I'm pissed. Capice? There is no need to stick up for squids, he's a big boy.......if he thinks I said something wrong, he can defend himself.

*IF SOMEONE HAS A CONCERN WITH ME PM ME!!!!!!!!!* I'll be more than happy to sort it out without you dragging me through the dirt for all to see when in fact YOU (that is those of you)have the REAL problem or have misunderstood!

Ok?

And what I meant with was that I felt dopey for not realizing you were kidding with your post about the 'zinger.' You apparently read a whole lot more in there than was meant.

Seriously, I would cut down on the caffeinated beverages. No one is out to get you. Least of all me.

Cheers (really )
-B

[hibidy]

-B

what it means is that I just don't say shitty, mean, lame, things enough to get the negative attention I'm getting lately. On the contrary, I try to be civil and though I might disagree with someone (ok, I disagree allot! ) I am not a f**king troll like some of the other mean-ass pos blurpers around here. Yet I get too much negative attention and I'm pissed. Capice? There is no need to stick up for squids, he's a big boy.......if he thinks I said something wrong, he can defend himself.

*IF SOMEONE HAS A CONCERN WITH ME PM ME!!!!!!!!!* I'll be more than happy to sort it out without you dragging me through the dirt for all to see when in fact YOU (that is those of you)have the REAL problem or have misunderstood!

Ok?

And what I meant with was that I felt dopey for not realizing you were kidding with your post about the 'zinger.' You apparently read a whole lot more in there than was meant.

Seriously, I would cut down on the caffeinated beverages. No one is out to get you. Least of all me.

Cheers (really )
-B

Hey, I'm man enough to say I'm very very sorry that it was ME who misunderstood you!



Please forgive me, I have been pretty paraniod about it lately and you were right anyways that my humor was not that clear...........again, I am truly sorry.

[BERFAB]

No worries. All in a day's work here at KVR!

See you around the water cooler...

-B

[redshift factor]

AS PROMISED FROM THE BEGINNING when IK said you would be able to run the gear of AH Jimi Hendrix inside AmpliTube 2 for FREE this IS going to be the case... in fact, even better because you can also run Ampeg and Metal.

Squids, can you explain exactly how X-GEAR works? How extensive is the integration?
Can you mix any pedals from all the Amplitube products in a single chain, as if they're all in the same plugin, or does it only load the entire stomps page from a selected Amplitube product? What I'm asking is could you select the Vox wah, followed by the MXR flanger, followed by the Memory Man Delay? Or can you only select the ATJH or AT2 or AT Metal effects page to use?

The reason I ask is because the screenshot of X-GEAR shows only pedals from AT Metal, without any pedals from any other AT product. Plus, AT Metal has a totally different floor background from AT2, (metal grate instead of hardwood) so it seems like pedals from the two could not be seamlessly integrated together.

What about mixing the preamp section from the AT Metal 5150 with the EQ from the AT2 Vox AC30 with the poweramp from the Hendrix Marshall?



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[redshift factor]

As to why someone would buy Metal, I can answer that easily. For the GEAR that was modeled for it...MXR Flanger (Eddie style- Unchained

But what about the MXR Phase 90 which IK modeled fo AT2 originally, but then didn't include? The Phase 90 is even more key to Eddie Van Halen's early sound than the MXR flanger.

If they aren't planning to include it, then tell them they have to!

Oh yeah, and is the MXR flanger they modeled the same one you borrowed from Mke Rutherford?

[hibidy]

No worries. All in a day's work here at KVR!

See you around the water cooler...

-B

[hibidy]

@mxr phase 90

I miss that one, the phase 100 is a bit to funky of an emu imho.

[hibidy]

OMG!

I just realized soon I'll be able to have the uni-vibe from jhe at my disposal for at2 and svx...........

[beergeek]

Sure. But you can still have a reaction to a company's practices, whether they are founded in pure capitalist marketing or not (or maybe BECAUSE they're founded in pure capitalist practices). Nobody's forcing me to spend that money, so there's no crime being committed. But a company has to be prepared for how the public perceives them... it's not all about columns on a ledger. And my perception is that they've crossed the line here. Rolling back the prices as a reaction to backlash isn't a sound marketing approach... it's not as black and white as 1st-year economics "supply and demand." With this move, they've created a particular image to live down.

Greg

Oh I agree...everyone has the right to voice their opinions...that's what we do especially well here on KVR Sometimes it even affects policy.

I also agree that the price point on the StompIO is going to be a really hard sell. I'm not sure I disagree with the X-Gear software decision anymore than I disagree with Line6's Gearbox plugin decision. But that's just me. I do think they would be well served to offer the current and upcoming specialty versions of AT2 as upgrades as well as stand alone...but I'm not on the marketing or development team.

Anyway, as you said this was about the X-Gear product and charging for it and I'm just happy I don't have to pay for it

--Rob

[beergeek]

CompyFox....

You said there were like 6-8 amps/cabs and there's 14...then you say there are 40 stomps for Gearbox when it's 29... and then you compare suggested retail to street...and then you say it comes with a UX1 when it doesn't and now you're counting the same mics twice and counting the different positions as extra mics for Line6 but not for AT2. On top of that the $129 bullshit WAS the limited time offer.

Dude, lay off the hallucinogens

I'm not trying argue which company gives the best deals. I'm just trying to tell you to get your facts straight. If you are going to do a comparison, even a "general" one as you say, you have to at least try and base what you say in reality and not misrepresent either product.

Someone who doesn't know any better might actually believe you

In the end, you have every right to feel exactly how you do. You do NOT have the right to misrepresent the facts to make your case. Who do you think you are, George Bush?

Peace out...tell everyone the Gearbox Gold comes with Hooker coupons if you want, I'm done.

--Rob

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Ok, just to clear up some regular retail price issues (these are all according to musiciansfriend).

Line 6 GearBox Plug-In Silver Bundle Features:

18 guitar amp and 24 cab models from POD xt
5 bass amp models from Bass POD xt
6 world-renowned vintage and modern mic preamps
30 studio and stompbox effects

Total: $299

IK Multimedia AmpliTube 2:

14 preamp
14 EQ models
7 power amp models
16 cabinet models
21 stomp box models
11 rack effect models
2 guitar rig chains

Total: $319

So, similiar features. Granted Gearbox Silver does include hardware, but otherwise they both seem pretty comparable to me.