Guitar players! The search for Amp Sims is over AXE-FX

[hibidy]

the thing about the internet it's easy for people to read the same thing differently. I didn't read it as coming off strongly, I guess I just didn't take it that seriously...I was more thankful for the heads up....I think pough's response was evident of the sarcastic nature of his firm stance...

sure, but still it was a arrogant thing to say you are not even going to debate it with someone

Don't even try, he's a douche........he just reads what he wants to read and it makes him think he's smart

dude grow up...I never called you names, I just pointed out your words were unkind....apparently you ageed because you apologized. So now you attack me

Let me make one thing clear...you cannot insult me

are we still at this? Is it a last word thing or something?

yup...when someone calls me a douche I have the right to respond...again I have yet to call you any names

Ok, apologies all the way around, I'm sorry sir......

[Hink]

sure, but still it was a arrogant thing to say you are not even going to debate it with someone

Don't even try, he's a douche........he just reads what he wants to read and it makes him think he's smart

dude grow up...I never called you names, I just pointed out your words were unkind....apparently you ageed because you apologized. So now you attack me

Let me make one thing clear...you cannot insult me

are we still at this? Is it a last word thing or something?

yup...when someone calls me a douche I have the right to respond...again I have yet to call you any names

Ok, apologies all the way around, I'm sorry sir......

well I have to respect that and it's appreciated

[Niksounds]

nothing special =)

This machine is good as at2.

[AndrewSimon]

nothing special =)

This machine is good as at2.

To Nicksounds and all the others who posted similar comments:

As I said I don't want to debate things here but let it be clear, in my opinion, if you had your guitar plugged into the AXE-FX, after 2 notes you would not think this way anymore.
This device is way beyond any modeler (hardware or software) out there today.
The feel, the interaction, the way every knob reacts naturally
resulting in endless fun and inspiration for you to play for hours.....
anyway it's hard to explain or even show with clips so I won't try but until you play one you won't know.

The manufacturer has floor models, real amp/cab models and a less expensive lite model in the works.. so hopefully everybody will have the chance one day to try it.

There is also a plan for a VST plugin in the distant future however I do believe the hardware in this unit is a very important part of the whole magic.
Top notch AD and DA circuits, super low noise input section combined with software enhancement for magical DI section.
Cliff, the builder, is an electrical engineer who worked for 20 years on sonar equipment for the Navy used his expertise in "super low noise amp design" to create what I believe to be the greatest Amp Sim ever built.... plus many more, amazing FX section too.

[Niksounds]

Ok Axe the best..

But the tones posted (or on website) are not superior to results from At2.

Also ipip hurra' for the AXE
Bye.

Also...

the paragons imho are STERIL

..

for example
http://sadchub.myspoonistoobig.net/stickybuns2.mp3

this is Pod X3.. also x3 is better?

Go go.. and play our gear..

[shamann]

Not debating the quality of the machine, but I'm curious, what would be the advantages of a $1700 rack unit amp simulator?

I always assumed amp sims were a way of aiding guitarists in the use of sequencer software, reducing the complications inherent in recording external audio with computers, capitalizing on the flexibility of using software effects non-destructively, and for doing it all on the cheap. But I don't see how this unit solves any of those problems.

So why would someone want this? At that price, you could get a pretty nice amp. And while you'd only then have one pretty nice amp, instead of dozens of reasonably modelled amps, how many guitarists really care about that? How many guitarists really need or want to be able to get both a clean jazzy sound and a high gain heavy metal sound, and of those guitarists who do, how many of them don't have access to more than one amp set-up?

I'm actually posing the question in earnest, not looking for a fight. This kind of unit strikes me along the lines of that DVZ sample-player system. Impressive, but more cumbersome than software-based systems need to be.

[Sickle]

Not debating the quality of the machine, but I'm curious, what would be the advantages of a $1700 rack unit amp simulator?

Less back strain from a lighter wallet?

[Hink]

Not debating the quality of the machine, but I'm curious, what would be the advantages of a $1700 rack unit amp simulator?

I always assumed amp sims were a way of aiding guitarists in the use of sequencer software, reducing the complications inherent in recording external audio with computers, capitalizing on the flexibility of using software effects non-destructively, and for doing it all on the cheap. But I don't see how this unit solves any of those problems.

So why would someone want this? At that price, you could get a pretty nice amp. And while you'd only then have one pretty nice amp, instead of dozens of reasonably modelled amps, how many guitarists really care about that? How many guitarists really need or want to be able to get both a clean jazzy sound and a high gain heavy metal sound, and of those guitarists who do, how many of them don't have access to more than one amp set-up?

I'm actually posing the question in earnest, not looking for a fight. This kind of unit strikes me along the lines of that DVZ sample-player system. Impressive, but more cumbersome than software-based systems need to be.

for me the advantage would be the fact it doesn't rely on your computer for processing. I understand the natural choice would be to go to a "real" amp. However that is not without it's limitations either, mic'ing a cab is not always convenient and something such as this is apt to offer a wider variety of tones. It's of course a matter of taste...

[AndrewSimon]

AXE-FX is not an Amp-Simulator per say, it does not try to model specific amps down to every detail.
It has some 20-30 amp models that catch the spirit of existing amps (and some custom ones) but with entirely new sets of controls, non-interactive EQ +/-12 db, the ability to completely tailor the transformer, damping, tube sag, etc, etc.. It's not following any paradigm that has been done before. This is entirely new territory.

It's a very useful tool that can be used for many things.
Some use it as a rack FX (FX's are arguably on par with Eventide)
Some use it plugged into their guitar amp (bypassing the input stage)
Some use it in the studio/DAW as I do.

The majority of players who buy the AXE-FX use it live on stage.... especially the "cover band" types that need a large range of tones at their fingertips.
AXE-FX has very strong ideas incorporated for live stage use like zero latency, almost zero (20ms) preset switch time, possibility for effect bleed over when switching presets, not to mention almost every parameter can be controlled via midi.
It also has 2 separate stereo outputs (XLR, balanced, unbalanced, digital and more)
Most people will have output one go to their amp or powered speakers as a stage monitor, output 2 (a pair of XLR's) will go the FOH (front of house)
Anyway if you have a chance to try it, do so you just might be as exsited as I am.
I have this unit for almost 4 weeks, I can't stop playing it, I have not touched any of my other amp sims and/or real amps since.... and I don't think I will....

[shogger]

So why would someone want this? At that price, you could get a pretty nice amp. And while you'd only then have one pretty nice amp, instead of dozens of reasonably modelled amps, how many guitarists really care about that? How many guitarists really need or want to be able to get both a clean jazzy sound and a high gain heavy metal sound, and of those guitarists who do, how many of them don't have access to more than one amp set-up?

If it really would be THAT good it would challenge all the PODs, etc. e.g. as a top 40 solution.

Shogger

[shogger]

AXE-FX is not an Amp-Simulator per say, it does not try to model specific amps down to every detail.
It has some 20-30 amp models that catch the spirit of existing amps (and some custom ones) but with entirely new sets of controls, non-interactive EQ +/-12 db, the ability to completely tailor the transformer, damping, tube sag, etc, etc.. It's not following any paradigm that has been done before. This is entirely new territory.

This is not entirely new territory. Non-interactive eq? This is the opposite of interactive guitar amp eqs. Normal DAW eqs. tube sag, damping? Yes, check out Revalver. Want some in depth control about the amps innards? Yes, check out ... umm yes, Revalver.
Sound is not overwhelming from what I heard until now.
As a one stop solution for live playing it could make sense. Seems a little expensive though.

Shogger

[shogger]

AXE-FX has very strong ideas incorporated for live stage use like zero latency, ...

ZERO latency? Wow, would like to see a real life number.

Shogger

[AndrewSimon]

AXE-FX has very strong ideas incorporated for live stage use like zero latency, ...

ZERO latency? Wow, would like to see a real life number.

Shogger

0.6ms processing latency plus an additonal 0.4ms of converter latency for a total of 1ms (same as standing 8 inches from a speaker)

[shogger]

AXE-FX has very strong ideas incorporated for live stage use like zero latency, ...

ZERO latency? Wow, would like to see a real life number.

Shogger

0.6ms processing latency plus an additonal 0.4ms of converter latency for a total of 1ms (same as standing 8 inches from a speaker)

Extremely impressive!

Shogger

[Amberience]

AXE-FX has very strong ideas incorporated for live stage use like zero latency, ...

ZERO latency? Wow, would like to see a real life number.

Shogger

0.6ms processing latency plus an additonal 0.4ms of converter latency for a total of 1ms (same as standing 8 inches from a speaker)

Personally I've always found latency to be negligible once it gets around 4ms reported. I think that would be about 8ms in reality.

AxeFX looks interesting, but the price puts me off almost immediately. If I was going to spend that much, it would be on Stomp I/O, and even that is something that I would have to heavily consider.