Guitar players! The search for Amp Sims is over AXE-FX

[Hink]

.. or you simply do not listen to the resulting "squeal" as intently as I do? You might be happy with something that I consider being pretty useless.

Also, I'm talking about pinch harmonics (as in the old thread) while playing clean tones. If you have heavy overdrive then sure, pinches are easy to achieve (they still sound weaker on amp sims though) but try using clean tones.

Cheers!
bManic

now it's my not listening as intently as you?? My settling for less than you? I have no time for this kind of egotistical crap. I have no problems getting any squeal from my PODs, I'm truly sorry you do.

Or how about you consider the possibility that we listen differently? There is nothing egoistical about that. It just seems like you "need to be right" all the time. Time to drop this little topic as it can't be discussed without you taking everything personal..

fwiw it's worth, squeals especially clean squeals are made and lost before the input stage...

And what the hell does that mean?

It's very simple what I tried to tell you:

Real amp = I barely touch the strings with the pick/thumb combo -> results in a nice harmonic
POD/Behringer Guitar thing = I need to hit that string very hard -> results in a vague, weak harmonic that doesn't sustain. And you blame the player?

Cheers!
bManic

yup....always I blame the player when it's me anyhow...because I've been playing a long time and what I've learned is it's all up to me. If I can't do it I'm not trying hard enough. I never blame my gear. At least I wouldn't blame my gear if I knew others using the same gear could get what I want...which in this case I do.

The fact that you don't understand what I meant by squeals are made or lost before the input stage speaks volumes. I have said the one thing that I learned about squeals are they 99% confidence, if you're second judging it you're gonna blow it...you're already convinced you can't from the start, of course you wont maybe you should open your mind. Yes I think it's very egotistical to say we listen different, because you suggest I don't care as much as you. Yeah I'm gonna take that personal (fwiw if I were you I might ask for tips, not take the stance it's not me), maybe you're listenng too hard and concentrating too hard, for me it's second nature. This surely isn't a case of right or wrong, I can get squeals and they are not any less quality than yours and imo your judgement of that is not right, again I'm sorry you can't get the same, I offer you hope, not judgement...but please dont tell me I can't okay?...how can you tell me I'm wrong about that?

Perhaps the reason I can is because I learned to play on crap gear for many years because I find squeals easy...picking on the neck, near the bridge, anywhere I get a huge selection of flavors of squeal I do absolutely resent you trying to diminish that by suggesting there not up to your standard or as you put it useless to you. I do know that my approach to squeals is different with each guitar and the tone is different from one amp to another. (try it reampng and you'll see what I mean.)

I really dont care if you use a POD, but dude please dont use your dislike of something judge me...I think that would bother everyone. I'm not you and you're not me, I'm getting great results and loving it...dont put me down for that.

[Hink]

The word/meaning that I was actually looking for earlier was this:

It takes more "effort" to play most of the guitar simulations than it does to play a cranked real amplifier.

It's kind of a similar situation when trying to play 'flight of the bumblebee', transcribed for piano by Rachmaninoff, on your average, made in wherever, upright piano, compared to playing that same piece on a highly precise, good sounding concert grand piano.

Anyhow.. I was going to drop this subject so I don't know why I bother.

Cheers!
bManic

I have heard very talented piano players make a junk piano sound great...if it takes more effort it can still be done...right? If it can be done it can be perfected...right? Honestly I find learning with the hardest piece of gear is best, because if I can do it on that I can do it on anything, though it will take a lot more practice. I dont know too many piano players that learned to play and learned the basics on a highly precise, good sounding concert grand piano.


I bother because I think and have always thought you were a good guy, I was surprised yesterday when you used the word useless...that's what bothered me. If I couldn't get what I want I would be as frustrated as you, but it would motivate me...not stop me. I bother because maybe we can enlighten each other. I bother because someone with a POD out there may give up because you say it can't be done on a POD when the truth is you have a hard time on a POD. I bother because I care about your enjoyment.

[shogger]

Popcorn!

X: yo know, yo're not trying hooooord enuff! Can't playa, dood.

Y: Dunno whatcha talkin man, it works but not with da XYZ machine, dontcha undastant?

X: Yo sayin I'm not cooool enuff? I knoh ma stuff boy!

Y: But me too. I could show ya, but...

Z: Popcorn!

Great, KvR!

TV now, Shogger

[A3ntar]

Popcorn!

X: yo know, yo're not trying hooooord enuff! Can't playa, dood.

Y: Dunno whatcha talkin man, it works but not with da XYZ machine, dontcha undastant?

X: Yo sayin I'm not cooool enuff? I knoh ma stuff boy!

Y: But me too. I could show ya, but...

Z: Popcorn!

Great, KvR!

TV now, Shogger

This is exactly the kind discussion that would have been in my beloved and my now re-tired thread...I miss you threaddy!

[Hink]

Popcorn!

X: yo know, yo're not trying hooooord enuff! Can't playa, dood.

Y: Dunno whatcha talkin man, it works but not with da XYZ machine, dontcha undastant?

X: Yo sayin I'm not cooool enuff? I knoh ma stuff boy!

Y: But me too. I could show ya, but...

Z: Popcorn!

Great, KvR!

TV now, Shogger

no, nothing wrong with our debate...that's healthy...people can benefit...if I was calling him names or he was calling me names and hitting below the belt that would one thing. But it isn't, I have a healthy respect for him and I hope he does for me, we just disagree.

However then someone comes along and makes a post like yours to add nothing to the subject but trash (and now you've done it twice in this thread) and that my friend brings us all down....apparently you have something against me, that's too bad...I have nothing against you...but please show me the same respect I'll show you and dont flame for the sake of flaming. Because your post is all wrong and the statement it makes could be construed as offensive towards myself and bmanic and it just isn't even as you try to paint it out to be...I see no call for that...thank you.

[shogger]

However then someone comes along and makes a post like yours to add nothing to the subject but trash (and now you've done it twice in this thread) and that my friend brings us all down....apparently you have something against me, that's too bad...I have nothing against you...but please show me the same respect I'll show you and dont flame for the sake of flaming. Because your post is all wrong and the statement it makes could be construed as offensive towards myself and bmanic and it just isn't even as you try to paint it out to be...I see no call for that...thank you.

Lighten up, Hink!

You're talking about respecting me? Why do you call it trash when I tickle you a little? I do respect you but you seem to be in a mood of taking things way too serious and too personal.
And while you seem to be looking for more precise words: I think you didn't understand what bmanic was talking about. And I remember that you did that before some time ago on exact that same subject. You were disrespectful to bmanic me thinks and now you call my jokes trash? I don't know what you're up to.
Man, there is no disrespect about your person, playing, equipment, style, or anything else here by me. If you don't like my humour then sorry sir. And yes, there were some of my opinion involved in my jokes and that's OK. I didn't flame anybody here for the sake of flaming and so I didn't do with you. Do I really have to explain my former joke to show you that it wasn't disrespectful? Have lotsa fun with your Boogie, POD and everything else. More power to you! More fun to you!

Shogger

[Hink]

However then someone comes along and makes a post like yours to add nothing to the subject but trash (and now you've done it twice in this thread) and that my friend brings us all down....apparently you have something against me, that's too bad...I have nothing against you...but please show me the same respect I'll show you and dont flame for the sake of flaming. Because your post is all wrong and the statement it makes could be construed as offensive towards myself and bmanic and it just isn't even as you try to paint it out to be...I see no call for that...thank you.

Lighten up, Hink!

You're talking about respecting me? Why do you call it trash when I tickle you a little? I do respect you but you seem to be in a mood of taking things way too serious and too personal.
And while you seem to be looking for more precise words: I think you didn't understand what bmanic was talking about. And I remember that you did that before some time ago on exact that same subject. You were disrespectful to bmanic me thinks and now you call my jokes trash? I don't know what you're up to.
Man, there is no disrespect about your person, playing, equipment, style, or anything else here by me. If you don't like my humour then sorry sir. And yes, there were some of my opinion involved in my jokes and that's OK. I didn't flame anybody here for the sake of flaming and so I didn't do with you. Do I really have to explain my former joke to show you that it wasn't disrespectful? Have lotsa fun with your Boogie, POD and everything else. More power to you! More fun to you!

Shogger

I dont think I was disrespectful to bmanic at all and in fact I sent him a pm to make sure he knew that...I actually do that often...I used the word trash because it isn't harsch, or at least shouldn't be. I took that to mean I f**k up threads...if you're joking I'm sorry.

[shogger]

Everything cool, Hink.

Shogger

[AndrewSimon]

More clips:

http://www.sheetsofsound.net/audio/mp3/axefx/smooth.mp3
http://scoredog.tv/LCclone.mp3
http://www.javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/Jun/axefxremix.m4a

[bmanic]

The word/meaning that I was actually looking for earlier was this:

It takes more "effort" to play most of the guitar simulations than it does to play a cranked real amplifier.

It's kind of a similar situation when trying to play 'flight of the bumblebee', transcribed for piano by Rachmaninoff, on your average, made in wherever, upright piano, compared to playing that same piece on a highly precise, good sounding concert grand piano.

Anyhow.. I was going to drop this subject so I don't know why I bother.

Cheers!
bManic

I have heard very talented piano players make a junk piano sound great...if it takes more effort it can still be done...right? If it can be done it can be perfected...right? Honestly I find learning with the hardest piece of gear is best, because if I can do it on that I can do it on anything, though it will take a lot more practice. I dont know too many piano players that learned to play and learned the basics on a highly precise, good sounding concert grand piano.


I bother because I think and have always thought you were a good guy, I was surprised yesterday when you used the word useless...that's what bothered me. If I couldn't get what I want I would be as frustrated as you, but it would motivate me...not stop me. I bother because maybe we can enlighten each other. I bother because someone with a POD out there may give up because you say it can't be done on a POD when the truth is you have a hard time on a POD. I bother because I care about your enjoyment.

I totally agree but it's not really relevant to the discussion is it?

The point is, if I have a choice, I much rather play a real amp than a POD for the above mentioned reason. I'm already a decent guitar player and above average joe pianist so I don't have the patience nor the need to use crap/mediocre things as my tools when I have the choice of better.

It's what a lot of mastering engineers say as well about their equipment. Once you have an acoustically treated space and good speakers then you could basically master with any tools, even freeware plugins, and get world class results. However, it involves a LOT more effort and time. Instead they choose to buy top of the line equipment that only needs a couple of twists and turns of dials to get the desired results.

So, in the end, IF axe-fx have managed to get the "Feel" down perfectly then I'd say it's a pretty damn solid product. Too bad I haven't tried one myself so all this falls under heavy speculation.

Maybe Andrew could give us some insight about this? Is more responsive than other amp sims or is it mainly the sound and flexibility that you enjoy so much?

Cheers!
bManic

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I'm working on a bluesy kind of thing right now (*amoungst other stuff), I'm to a point where I'm working out solos, I had to laugh when I played one back and it was like all squeals Do you run anything between your guitar and a pod when you use it? If I'm not using an active guitar I almost always have my mxr distortion + on instead of one of the pod stomp boxes. Three out of four of my guitars are also Loz, I'm thinking both alter the feel a lot, and probably how the pod responds to the input

[AndrewSimon]

Maybe Andrew could give us some insight about this? Is more responsive than other amp sims or is it mainly the sound and flexibility that you enjoy so much?

Cheers!
bManic

Feel and response are awesome.


AXE-FX is still in development, today there were 4 new amps introduced (Dumble, Trainwreck, JMT45 and Diezel)


Here is clip with the Diezel for the metal heads:

http://www.fractalaudio.com/temp/Das_Metall.mp3

[Amberience]

That sounds really poor to me, and I'm a metaller!

There's no balls to that sound, and I'm not talking about the lack of low frequencies, coz there is a difference.

[shogger]

Here is clip with the Diezel for the metal heads:

http://www.fractalaudio.com/temp/Das_Metall.mp3

Sorry sir, that doesn't sound good to me.

Shogger

[A3ntar]

Here is clip with the Diezel for the metal heads:

http://www.fractalaudio.com/temp/Das_Metall.mp3

Hmm..I am afraid I have to agree with Amberience here. That doesn't sound good to my ears. Althouh it does have an "air-ish" quality to it, it is lacking the punch and the bite.

It sounds like somebody badly miced a cheap amp.

Man, I feel like shaking some sens into all these people with the Axe-FX unit. NO sound sample I heard so far is great (a bit better than average at best), and yet all of them are raving about it