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KnobMan, the VSTGUI AnimationKnob bitmap generator
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- KVRian
- 639 posts since 19 Apr, 2007 from Frankfurt, Germany
So, you would prefer this:
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- KVRAF
- 8483 posts since 12 Feb, 2006 from Helsinki, Finland
Yeah I think it looks better like that, with all the elements getting their light from more or less the same direction. Somehow more vintage too, and even a bit more aggressive to my eyes, though I ain't no artist, so I shouldn't be trusted too much.bootsie wrote:So, you would prefer this:
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In fact it now looks so good to my eyes that the screws start looking a bit plastic (like if they're just bumpmaps to the plate, lacking hard edges that are typical for such screws or at least the holes not going deep enough, but that's completely off topic then). Anyway, that's the problem with making something too realistic: even the minute detail starts popping out for being just slightly off.. assuming it's off.. this is now so minor already that I hardly trust my untrained eyes anymore.
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- KVRAF
- 3948 posts since 8 Sep, 2003 from germany
I tried this today for the first time and i must say I'm impressed. It was maybe the fastest way ever I could render out a newly designed, fully functioning dial graphic. And I have still the feeling there's still a lot to try out 
Two things threw me a bit out of the workflow:
- the open/save dialog could save the last path (I tend to render a series of similar graphics one after each other to have some comparison and prefer to save them in the same directory)
- the saving itself ("export") could be done in a separate thread to not freeze the application (it could let the thread run and set the cursor to the hourglass for the time being)
Nothing to lose sleep over though, very useful and inspiring application, thanks a lot g200kg
Two things threw me a bit out of the workflow:
- the open/save dialog could save the last path (I tend to render a series of similar graphics one after each other to have some comparison and prefer to save them in the same directory)
- the saving itself ("export") could be done in a separate thread to not freeze the application (it could let the thread run and set the cursor to the hourglass for the time being)
Nothing to lose sleep over though, very useful and inspiring application, thanks a lot g200kg
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- KVRAF
- 6241 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...
hi g200kg,
could it be that there's a lot of room for improovement for the antialiasing algorithm?
just a question, as i can manage to get circles or anything round way cleaner than in knobman at the same size ... meaning, i have to diffuse everything _that_ hard, so that it starts to lack of precision comparing to photoshop ...
i am talking of relativeley small knobs here ...
bigger knobs are not so much of a problem, but the art is to do _small_ interresting ones ...
any chance to get back to me on thatone, also on my other requests?
again thanks a lot for knobman!
could it be that there's a lot of room for improovement for the antialiasing algorithm?
just a question, as i can manage to get circles or anything round way cleaner than in knobman at the same size ... meaning, i have to diffuse everything _that_ hard, so that it starts to lack of precision comparing to photoshop ...
i am talking of relativeley small knobs here ...
bigger knobs are not so much of a problem, but the art is to do _small_ interresting ones ...
any chance to get back to me on thatone, also on my other requests?
again thanks a lot for knobman!
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
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- KVRAF
- 8389 posts since 11 Apr, 2003 from back on the hillside again - but now with a garden!
brok - create it large, and scale the result down using photoshop/GIMP/PSP/etc. Best results are probably done through that method
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35435 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Yup. 4x oversampling should be enough. If you want a 32x32 knob, make it at 128x128, and resize it in PS or whatever.duncanparsons wrote:brok - create it large, and scale the result down using photoshop/GIMP/PSP/etc. Best results are probably done through that method
DSP
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 8389 posts since 11 Apr, 2003 from back on the hillside again - but now with a garden!
Sean, I really miss the old Quoth, you know... I realise it was a lot of work when the quote tags are already setup!
I'll get Ben to change your tag to "b'ware the wrote:"
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I'll get Ben to change your tag to "b'ware the wrote:"
DSP
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35435 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
duncanparsons quoth Sean, I really miss the old Quoth, you know... I realise it was a lot of work when the quote tags are already setup!
I'll get Ben to change your tag to "b'ware the wrote:"
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Yeah, its much easier to just use the quote tag.
Plus I got too many people complaining that the italics were unreadable. Oh and a couple of lunatic grammar Nazi's who didn't quite get part of the joke.
I'll get Ben to change your tag to "b'ware the wrote:"
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Yeah, its much easier to just use the quote tag.
Plus I got too many people complaining that the italics were unreadable. Oh and a couple of lunatic grammar Nazi's who didn't quite get part of the joke.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 6241 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...
hi duncan, thanks for your reply ...duncanparsons wrote:brok - create it large, and scale the result down using photoshop/GIMP/PSP/etc. Best results are probably done through that method
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you mean render large in knobman, then import the whole png-stripe into photoshop and scale it down?
well, that might work in the end, but afaik knobman can't reload the png-stripe, so i'm not able to see if the movement of the knob would create artefacts ...
hmmm ... sounds like a workaround, not a real solution ...
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
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- KVRAF
- 6241 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...
thanks whyterabbyt ...whyterabbyt wrote:Yup. 4x oversampling should be enough. If you want a 32x32 knob, make it at 128x128, and resize it in PS or whatever.duncanparsons wrote:brok - create it large, and scale the result down using photoshop/GIMP/PSP/etc. Best results are probably done through that method
DSP
seems it's the only way to do so, until the antialias algo is improoved ...
will try ...
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 485 posts since 22 May, 2004 from Yokohama, Japan
brok, thanks for the info.brok landers wrote:hi g200kg,
could it be that there's a lot of room for improovement for the antialiasing algorithm?
16x16pixels circle by the GIMP(left) and KnobMan(right).
in knobman, the circumference seems not clear. and the shape seems a little bit distorted (probably because the knobman setup the circumference at center of the pixel).
have i understand the problem you mentioned correctly?
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- KVRAF
- 6241 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...
first off, thank you so much for the reply!
i just have to say again: knobman is unbelievable great, don't forget that over my complaining, i just want to help to make it perfect!
on topic:
yes, that could be the problem.
my main problem is, that smaller circles tend to distort, somehow tear up the edges. i have to diffuse too much, the whole thing gets too "unsharp" then ...
so, having sharp edges on smaller knobs (where the sharpness is essential) is really a hard one ...
does that explanation help you in any way?
ps, what do you think of my other ideas in the posts before?
thanks again!
i just have to say again: knobman is unbelievable great, don't forget that over my complaining, i just want to help to make it perfect!
on topic:
yes, that could be the problem.
my main problem is, that smaller circles tend to distort, somehow tear up the edges. i have to diffuse too much, the whole thing gets too "unsharp" then ...
so, having sharp edges on smaller knobs (where the sharpness is essential) is really a hard one ...
does that explanation help you in any way?
ps, what do you think of my other ideas in the posts before?
thanks again!
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
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- KVRAF
- 6241 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...
well, here's my contribution ... nothing special ...
merely only for showing off to g200kg what i meant with "i have to diffuse the knobs too much" ...
i wanted to have normal, slightly 3dimensional, relativeley small knobs, but good looking ...
beware, the image lowered the quality quite a bit, the knob is not _that_ bad ...
get the knobman file for knobman 1.07 here, if you like ...
btw, i don't know if the font comes with win xp, it's called: ".Dialog 9" ...
you'll find it on the net somwhere, or simply replace it with a system font ...
or you just draw it within the gui by calling it off the system directly, which is anyway more likeley the way to do it, no?
merely only for showing off to g200kg what i meant with "i have to diffuse the knobs too much" ...
i wanted to have normal, slightly 3dimensional, relativeley small knobs, but good looking ...
beware, the image lowered the quality quite a bit, the knob is not _that_ bad ...
get the knobman file for knobman 1.07 here, if you like ...
btw, i don't know if the font comes with win xp, it's called: ".Dialog 9" ...
you'll find it on the net somwhere, or simply replace it with a system font ...
or you just draw it within the gui by calling it off the system directly, which is anyway more likeley the way to do it, no?
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man
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- KVRian
- 1075 posts since 16 Jun, 2007
There's some useful info about aliasing over on the Anti-Grain Geometry website. AGG is an Open Source graphic rendering engine for C++ and even if it you can't use it, there's lots of info on the site that might help you. Check out the documents pages here.g200kg wrote:in knobman, the circumference seems not clear. and the shape seems a little bit distorted (probably because the knobman setup the circumference at center of the pixel).
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- KVRist
- 160 posts since 3 Oct, 2004 from Torquay England
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, I haven't read the whole thread, having a option to use a large image that could be moved around as a background instead of a colour. It would make testing to see if it looks right quicker I am constantly having to save knob, then open programme to test it close programme slightly adjust knob. Great program thanks.