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wildzeke · Post by **wildzeke** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:47 pm

Any plans to post the patches for the supersaw sounds?

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:21 pm

ew wrote:Absynth.

Absynth is too unstable and unreliable to create something like a supersaw. I'd really like to see you try proving this.

Wildzeke, it takes me 20 seconds to dial in the supersaw settings I used for most of the synths. Just read my instructions, please. Most synth demos don't have a save function anyway.

thelizard · Post by **thelizard** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:49 pm

Architeuthis wrote: Absynth is too unstable and unreliable to create something like a supersaw. I'd really like to see you try proving this.

Really? Have you used the demo or owned it, or is that just something you've heard? I've had Absynth since version 2, and none of them have ever crashed on me. Ever. If you haven't given it a try I recommend it. Also, if it didn't cost so damn much, I would recommend Reaktor, as I guarantee that the most bitchin' supsaw can be coaxed out of that beast.

Also, Albino is stupid good. I've been testing Surge and Zebra for about two weeks now trying to make my decision, and then I just downloaded the Albino demo two days ago.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:01 pm

thelizard wrote:
Architeuthis wrote: Absynth is too unstable and unreliable to create something like a supersaw. I'd really like to see you try proving this.
Really? Have you used the demo or owned it, or is that just something you've heard? I've had Absynth since version 2

I owned v2, and the reason I didn't like it was because of the bugs. Yes, they are hard to notice and easy to ignore, but I'm very picky. I ended up selling it... maybe v4 is much better, ey? Sorry, my goal by being harsh against Absynth was to spur EW to prove something. I just seriously doubt Absynth can make any kind of supersaw. Like I said, it's not a reliable synth!

triple p · Post by **triple p** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:39 pm

eduardo_b wrote:
triple p wrote:Unique can make a mean supersaw. It has only two osc. but it has stacked waveforms, on being a supersaw which is 3 saws stacked. so thats six and then there is unison and that stuff so even more. I think it is 18? or 32? i don't remember the technical stuff but you get a viscious supersaw from it.
Krishna Synth could do a monstrous supersaw to using its awesome features.
Unique is...well...unique, I'll grant you that. Not my cup to tea. Now, SimSynth, on the other hand, rocks! Supersaw city.

SimSynth? I suppose it could make an supersaw but i never cared for it much.
The digital harshness of its sound has always turned me off. Plus, i have SS because i have FL and Sytrus can do much more than simsynth. So, you must be giving FL a shot now,huh?
Unique, is unique indeed. It is on of the grittyest synths i have. Whats better is you do not have to work at it to sound gritty it just does.

ew · Post by ew » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:11 pm

Architeuthis wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Architeuthis wrote: Absynth is too unstable and unreliable to create something like a supersaw. I'd really like to see you try proving this.
Really? Have you used the demo or owned it, or is that just something you've heard? I've had Absynth since version 2
I owned v2, and the reason I didn't like it was because of the bugs. Yes, they are hard to notice and easy to ignore, but I'm very picky. I ended up selling it... maybe v4 is much better, ey? Sorry, my goal by being harsh against Absynth was to spur EW to prove something. I just seriously doubt Absynth can make any kind of supersaw. Like I said, it's not a reliable synth!

Now why the hell would your comment make me do that, Archie?

1) I don't use supersaws; they're one of the worst chiches in modern electronic music. I just did it for my own satisfaction.
2) I said how to do it- anybody can follow my guidelines and see for themselves that I'm right.
3) If I did, we'd all be subject to the all too familiar sight of you editing your posts as you try to not look too incompetent...

ew

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:29 pm

Architeuthis wrote:THE WINNER OF THE BEST SUPERSAW (imo) IS HELIX!
http://www.elanhickler.com/d/sawcompare2.mp3
(In order in which they appear)
Helix
Toxic III
ZeroVector
Sylenth1
Synth1
Zebra2 (x11)
Zebra2 (x4)
Gladiator
Vanguard
Sytrus
Nexsyn
Predator
Surge
Supersaw
Xhip
Transcender 2
Superwave P8
Nexus does not generate its own waves

sounds best IMO.

thanks for the indepth comparison. Zebra2 (x4) sounds great too.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:30 pm

Chris Walton wrote:I've yet to find anything that beats my 16 3xOsc setup (48 sawtooth oscillators, per note - not even sylenth can do that ).

Sylenth does a good supersaw too but I really don't like it's filter.

audio or stfu

MaliceX · Post by **MaliceX** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:05 pm

Helix does wonders with my favourite kind of supersaw. (The new version just had the high frequency problem fixed, and sounds so much "sharper" now.

)

That, and it does excellent noisesaws (those heard not on tarnce, but on hardcore techno/gabber and such.) What out of that list can do that hooverish noisesaw sound? (It's barely melodic, and sounds exactly like the label says.)

KarmaFX Synth does a spot-on one.

I'll post examples if anyone's interested.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:27 pm

MaliceX wrote:KarmaFX Synth does a spot-on one. I'll post examples if anyone's interested.

Naa, no one is interested...

YEAH RIGHT, POST THE DANG SAMPLE! why are you withholding information from us? that's evil.

Chris Walton · Post by **Chris Walton** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:11 pm

grymmjack wrote:
Chris Walton wrote:I've yet to find anything that beats my 16 3xOsc setup (48 sawtooth oscillators, per note - not even sylenth can do that ).

Sylenth does a good supersaw too but I really don't like it's filter.
audio or stfu

Chris Walton wrote:
Urs wrote:If I may ask a question...

How many saws make sense? I've tested some stuff here and couldn't make out much of a difference after 10-12 slightly detuned saws - especially if you have additional means such as noise generators at hand. I guess that's the reason why the Virus TI stops at 9. They probably thought it wasn't worth adding more.

Thus I'm not sure if I'd settle with maybe 8, 11 or 16 saws for the next implementation...?

I mean seriously, does 32 saws make a difference to 12? What if you add a bit of white noise to 12? And how many cents would the maximum detune be? Is there a relation between detune and the number of audible saws?

Sorry for the OT question, but there seem to be a lot of experts in this thread...

Thanks,

Urs
The difference between 2 and 3 saws is much bigger than between 20 and 30 saws.

I noticed that with my 48 Oscillator setup that things still were very close to something that could be done with, say, 9 oscillators, except that the thing sounds a bit more "smeared", and with very little occasional peaking/phasing effects.

A demo I made of it recently:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/8/31/ ... 48xOsc.mp3

boin · Post by **boin** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:53 am

tony tony chopper wrote:supersaw in Sytrus (first dry):

http://www.flstudio.com/gol/SSaws_2.mp3

you have control on the unison's panning/volume/pitch spread, starting phase & more

Could you please post the patch? There are some very good sounds in this MP3 (and no, I'm not a supersaw/hypersaw fan).

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:31 pm

I suppose you mean the second part, not the dry saw. Project here (it uses Maximus but you'll get the same with the free You Wa Shock. Also it'll probably show a warning when loaded in FL7, and may crash, but the FST should load in Sytrus)

http://www.flstudio.com/gol/SSaw.zip

Chris Walton · Post by **Chris Walton** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:59 pm

You Wa!

fanatical · Post by **fanatical** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:07 pm

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Haven't seen this one mentioned but I've not used my jp since I have got it

http://www.rb2k1.com/images/rrsv2-91605.jpg (http://www.rb2k1.com/images/rrsv2-91605.jpg)
http://www.rb2k1.com/rrsv2.htm (http://www.rb2k1.com/rrsv2.htm)

Well worth checking

What's the best synth for Supersaw? [note: ancient thread]