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spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:27 am

Thanks guys.

I have decided to go with TruePianos as with discounts in place it only costs me $89. No argument there really at that price.

When I'm wealthy or the price comes down, I'll pick up PianoTeq for my more experimental compositions but not being a piano player, I certainly have no need for two similar plugs.

If I need a totally different sound in a mix, then I'll use some free soundfonts.

Peace

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:01 am

KKeene wrote:Pianoteq is the more sophisticated program. Truepianos sounds 'soundfonty' to me.

I've not tried Pianoteq, but I need to ask about TP. What soundfont have you played that sounds that good AND is that playable?

I'm a piano player for 17 years or so now, and I grew up not having any piano samples, but rather playing on multiple pianos for I don't know how many of those years.

I will ALWAYS prefer the real piano, as most probably would. I don't think that is a question. However, I bought TP. Part of this decision was based on price. The current $89 price made it a no brainer, plus the ability to not rely on huge sample libraries loading(from an external drive I had to hook up) every time I wanted to jot down a few things and tinker around.

I don't think for a second that either TP or PT sounds like a REAL piano. However, I found TP pretty close to how one reacts. I've never seen a soundfont that can match it, period. But in complete honesty, I'd like to know where the soundfont is that compares to it, or maybe even a better explanation of why it sounds like one. I mean this with all sincerity.

Pianoteq sounds like it's a great plugin. However, for such a specialized plugin, it's just too darn expensive. Not that it isn't worth it. But rather not worth it for me. During a sale with Sampletekk, I can buy a dozen pianos for the price I can get PT for. I know that PT models pianos and essentially equals more, so it may not be a good argument. But I don't know that it sounds BETTER to my ears.

That being said, if I could afford PT, I may consider buying it. However, TP has worked wonders for me lately. I was able to get so much done in a week with it on projects that had just been sitting there due to not wanting to hook everything up.

Just some random thoughts. Sorry for being so scattered. But I really would like to know how it sounds or even CLOSELY reacts like a soundfont. I have about every free piano that exists and haven't seen one that is better to me.

Cheers!

Brent

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:17 am

koolkeys wrote:
KKeene wrote:Pianoteq is the more sophisticated program. Truepianos sounds 'soundfonty' to me.
I've not tried Pianoteq, but I need to ask about TP. What soundfont have you played that sounds that good AND is that playable?

I'm a piano player for 17 years or so now, and I grew up not having any piano samples, but rather playing on multiple pianos for I don't know how many of those years.

I will ALWAYS prefer the real piano, as most probably would. I don't think that is a question. However, I bought TP. Part of this decision was based on price. The current $89 price made it a no brainer, plus the ability to not rely on huge sample libraries loading(from an external drive I had to hook up) every time I wanted to jot down a few things and tinker around.

I don't think for a second that either TP or PT sounds like a REAL piano. However, I found TP pretty close to how one reacts. I've never seen a soundfont that can match it, period. But in complete honesty, I'd like to know where the soundfont is that compares to it, or maybe even a better explanation of why it sounds like one. I mean this with all sincerity.

Pianoteq sounds like it's a great plugin. However, for such a specialized plugin, it's just too darn expensive. Not that it isn't worth it. But rather not worth it for me. During a sale with Sampletekk, I can buy a dozen pianos for the price I can get PT for. I know that PT models pianos and essentially equals more, so it may not be a good argument. But I don't know that it sounds BETTER to my ears.

That being said, if I could afford PT, I may consider buying it. However, TP has worked wonders for me lately. I was able to get so much done in a week with it on projects that had just been sitting there due to not wanting to hook everything up.

Just some random thoughts. Sorry for being so scattered. But I really would like to know how it sounds or even CLOSELY reacts like a soundfont. I have about every free piano that exists and haven't seen one that is better to me.

Cheers!

Brent

My Soundfont suggestions would be the "Yannleo S110" which was really well recorded, "Malmsjo" and of course "Splendid 72". All great Soundfonts.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:22 am

Yes, good soundfonts. But still, nothing near the consistency and playability and sound of TP, IMO. I have them all.

You can't adjust them based on your keyboard or playing style. They don't have any sympathetic resonances. Nor are they as expressive. This is due to the limitations of traditional sampling.

I have Kontakt 2/3 and have all the pianos that come with them, as well as two Sampletekk pianos that each are around 5GB. I love every one of the pianos included in all those. I could compare them to PT easily.

But not any soundfont I have so far. Again, this is just my opinion. YMMV.

Brent

tconrardy · Post by **tconrardy** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:29 am

spuddle wrote:Thanks guys.

I have decided to go with TruePianos as with discounts in place it only costs me $89. No argument there really at that price.

Peace

where can you get it for $89?

Tim

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:31 am

You get the current discount, plus the discount for being a Jamstix bundle customer(also one other product, don't remember which one). It brings the price down to $89.

Brent

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:40 am

koolkeys wrote:You get the current discount, plus the discount for being a Jamstix bundle customer(also one other product, don't remember which one). It brings the price down to $89.

Brent

Hi Tim, koolkeys has it right, the other product is discoDSP's Discovery. If you have the Jamstix Bundle or Discovery then you can pick up that second discount.

Oh and yes I agree with you about the Soundfonts, they sound pretty good for little freebies but aren't very expressive. One-dimensional playability you could say.

Well I'll no doubt be letting you guys know how I get on with TP. Thanks again.

Roel de Witt · Post by **Roel de Witt** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:48 am

Hi,

We allow free license transfers but we reserve the right to refuse a transfer. E.g. if a license is transfered more than once in 6 months, piracy, abuse etc..

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Roel / 4Front Technologies

spuddle wrote:Can I sell/transfer my TruePianos licence at a later date?

If so that'd probably swing it for me because I really don't think I'll have two Piano modeling plugs at the same time on my system.

It does seem that the consenus is that TruePiano's has that sound that pleases most people but are they piano players or producers?

opus_diaboli · Post by **opus_diaboli** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:04 am

I have Akoustik Piano and TruePianos. TP beats AP in terms of playability and feeling, AP has more punch in the lower registers and sounds a bit more like the real one (which doesn't surprise me since AP needs about 3 GByte per piano). Playing TP is just more fun. Unfortunately I don't like the way how the Diamond module (my preferred one) of TP handles the resonances when playing with pedal. In my opinion it sounds a bit to muddy when you play pieces with a lot of pedaling.

As I said before I don't like Pianoteq. Although it has a quite interesting approach, it sounds to artificial to me.

KKeene · Post by **KKeene** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:23 am

I really would like to know how it sounds or even CLOSELY reacts like a soundfont. I have about every free piano that exists and haven't seen one that is better to me.

Piano soundfonts use looped decays instead of full sustain/decays found in large, gigabyte sized sample libraries. The looped wav is faded out to simulate natural decay. Truepianos is also sample based. The TP "modules" contain the sample data needed to emulate a piano. They sound looped to my ears. They sound 'soundfonty'.

Project · Post by **Project** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:53 pm

I'm trying the TP demo and I really like it, but it sounds bad whane collapsed to mono (I mainly do music for television, so I need to check for mono compatibility) The same is true for AP and even for my Roland RD-170 digital piano. Anyone can comment on the PT mono compatibility, or if some other TP piano module works better in mono? (demo version has only one module, the Diaomnd one if I remember correctly)

TIA

Project

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:27 pm

I've tried Pianoteq yesterday and I think it's the best choice for classic music. I was really impressed.

MaliceX · Post by **MaliceX** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:59 am

This is a hard choice. Sure, TruePianos sounds like a GOOD piano soundset straight out with the realism treated for full playability, PianoTeq is more of a synthesizer aimed at control of sound from meticulously-calculated sound and wave physics of the piano instrument. (At least from the impression the demo gave)

Integratron · Post by **Integratron** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:27 am

I was under the impression that there is absolutely no modeling with PT - totally synthesized.

MitchK1989 · Post by **MitchK1989** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:31 am

Integratron wrote:I was under the impression that there is absolutely no modeling with PT - totally synthesized.

Umm, do you mean no sampling?

Pianoteq is 100% physical modelling synthesis. That is, a mathematical representation of the science behind how a piano produces sound... Truepianos is a combination of sampling and modelling.

Pianoteq or... Truepianos?