Problems importing Nordic Upright into Kompakt

[iain_morland]

Hello,

This is the next installment of an ongoing saga caused by the way in which the sfz player handles release sample polyphony (discussed in the rgc forum!).

In short it means that, through no fault of Precisionsound, the Nordic Upright sfz file plays back poorly in sfz.

So I am currently trying to import it into the NI Kompakt player that comes with Acid Pro 6. This does not open sfz or Kontakt (nki) files, but it does import Halion files.

However, it will EITHER:
Import the Nordic Upright Halion 1 files, in which case it ignores the release samples.
OR:
Import the Halion 2 files, in which case it always crashes upon reaching 99% on its sample loading progress bar. I have tried this in 3 hosts (Acid 6, Live 6.0.1, and Project 5 2.5.1).

This is the error message I receive in Acid:

Sony ACID Pro 6.0
Version 6.0d (Build 363)
Exception 0xC0000005 (access violation) READ:0x14 IP:0x774326C
In Module 'Kompakt Sony ACID ProVST.dll' at Address 0x7720000 + 0x2326C
Thread: GUI ID=0xD18 Stack=0x12F000-0x130000
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=001b EIP=0774326c EFLGS=00210206
EBX=0000003f SS=0023 ESP=0012f868 EBP=0b18600c
ECX=0b18600c DS=0023 ESI=0b185f00 FS=003b
EDX=0000003f ES=0023 EDI=07d18bac GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
0774326C: 8B 50 14 85 D2 74 21 8B .P...t!.
07743274: 40 04 85 C0 74 13 85 D2 @...t...
Stack Dump:
0012F868: 0B185F00 0B130000 + 55F00
0012F86C: 06188C69 06180000 + 8C69
0012F870: 07742DC5 07720000 + 22DC5 (Kompakt Sony ACID ProVST.dll)
0012F874: 00000008
0012F878: 0012F8BC 00030000 + FF8BC
0012F87C: 07794AC4 07720000 + 74AC4 (Kompakt Sony ACID ProVST.dll)
0012F880: 0000003F
0012F884: 00000000
0012F888: 0B454AD8 0B130000 + 324AD8
0012F88C: 00000000
0012F890: 07D13F40 07720000 + 5F3F40 (Kompakt Sony ACID ProVST.dll)
0012F894: 00000000
0012F898: 0B454A01 0B130000 + 324A01
0012F89C: 00000008
0012F8A0: 07D18BA4 07720000 + 5F8BA4 (Kompakt Sony ACID ProVST.dll)
0012F8A4: 0641EA3C 06320000 + FEA3C
> 0012F8B4: 07BCFDAE 07720000 + 4AFDAE (Kompakt Sony ACID ProVST.dll)
0012F8B8: FFFFFFFF
0012F8BC: 0641E280 06320000 + FE280
> 0012F8C0: 0772728D 07720000 + 728D (Kompakt Sony ACID ProVST.dll)
- - -
0012FFF0: 00000000
0012FFF4: 00000000
0012FFF8: 0078DC0A 00400000 + 38DC0A (acid60.exe)
0012FFFC: 00000000

So I am stuck in an endless loop of not being able to play this piano with its release samples!

I don't have the full version of Kontakt so would be interested to hear if the Halion 2 files can be imported successfully into that.

Lars -- it would also be great if you could try re-creating the Halion files in case there is a bug in the original ones. Or would it be possible to get the piano in Giga format? Apparently Acid Kompakt can import that.

Thanks!
Iain

[precisionsound]

Hello!

The HALion 1 works to import but the release sample groups has to be set manually in Kontakt so the import is not 100% I can confirm that. That is a reason we have real Kontakt programs in the SampleSet. Very strange that the Kompakt player doesn't open .nki files....What file type does it open then?
Giga 2 is not an option in this case the mappings is totally different than the GS can handle I doubt Kompakt imports the release samples function 100%... for GS programs anyway…

Best regards,

Lars

[iain_morland]

Hello!

The HALion 1 works to import but the release sample groups has to be set manually in Kontakt so the import is not 100% I can confirm that. That is a reason we have real Kontakt programs in the SampleSet. Very strange that the Kompakt player doesn't open .nki files....What file type does it open then?
Giga 2 is not an option in this case the mappings is totally different than the GS can handle I doubt Kompakt imports the release samples function 100%... for GS programs anyway…

Best regards,

Lars

Hi Lars

Thanks for the response. The specific limitations with the Acid Kompakt player are that it opens AKAI S-1000/S-3000, EXS, HALion, SF2, LM4 and Gigasampler files, but the only nki files it will open are those made specifically for the player by the folks at Sony.

I wonder, would it be possible to have two sf2 files for the Nordic Upright instead of one sfz file? The first sf2 could contain the note-on samples, and the second sf2 could contain the release samples.

These could then be imported into Kompakt as two separate instruments on the same MIDI channel, and saved as a multi.

This is how the piano in the EW Silver XP Kontakt player works: it's a multi containing the note-on sounds as one nki instrument and the release sounds as another nki instrument.

How possible would it be to create two sf2 files? Unfortunately this isn't something I have the facility to do myself.

Thanks again for your reply,
Iain

[precisionsound]

Hi!

That is what we have done with some other libraries in Sf2 format. And yes I will do that for the Nordic Upright if you like.
I will do a separate program with only the release samples and another program with the notes. 2 programs you can combine in Kompakt.
I give you a reply in this treat when it is available.

Best regards,

Lars

[iain_morland]

That would be terrific and much appreciated!

Thanks