KVR Audio

SE_Newbie · Post by **SE_Newbie** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:37 pm

hseiken wrote:Question for Ubuntu users...

Another question is...why use JACK when ALSA is just fine? I can't see what having some window with play and stop buttons open all the time achieves when the program I'm running supports ALSA.

many linux audio production programs require jack. Ardour and Rezound to name just two. thats why its important to have jack in your distro. for newbs, look for a linux distro that has all the software and dependancies you want to use. just look over this thread you will find many references to distros such as musix, dynebolic, and 64studio.

SE_Newbie · Post by **SE_Newbie** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:47 pm

dover666 wrote:hmmm... i hope i can get dyne:bolic running on my system.... i'm in the middle of rebuilding my pc, and it looks like windows is dead.... i got featherlinux live cd to run, and it found a jump drive i had plugged in, but i don't think it was finding my harddrives... anyway, i'm hoping dyne:bolic will format my sata and install it self, guts and glory... if thats possible... i'm finding myself in noobworld again, what with building this computer and trying to get an os up on it... i'd like to scream... ut i think i've done that enough the past couple days.... as a last comment, i'd like to point out that feather linux started up instantly, like it was just always meant to be, and of course windows wouldn't boot or work or do squat, just reset and reset....

sorry, dyne will not do that.... it does not format any drives.... it is installed by simply dragging and dropping the dyne directrory from the cd to the root directory (example: C:\Dyne\)of an already formatted hard drive. and i dont think that dyne distros support any ata drives. you may be out of luck without a copy of ubuntu, suse, musix or another installable distro.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:02 pm

SE_Newbie wrote:
dover666 wrote:hmmm... i hope i can get dyne:bolic running on my system.... i'm in the middle of rebuilding my pc, and it looks like windows is dead.... i got featherlinux live cd to run, and it found a jump drive i had plugged in, but i don't think it was finding my harddrives... anyway, i'm hoping dyne:bolic will format my sata and install it self, guts and glory... if thats possible... i'm finding myself in noobworld again, what with building this computer and trying to get an os up on it... i'd like to scream... ut i think i've done that enough the past couple days.... as a last comment, i'd like to point out that feather linux started up instantly, like it was just always meant to be, and of course windows wouldn't boot or work or do squat, just reset and reset....
sorry, dyne will not do that.... it does not format any drives.... it is installed by simply dragging and dropping the dyne directrory from the cd to the root directory (example: C:\Dyne\)of an already formatted hard drive. and i dont think that dyne distros support any ata drives. you may be out of luck without a copy of ubuntu, suse, musix or another installable distro.

For a tiny hard-disk, you can just install a mini distro, or a Windowmaker-only install of SUSE, and drag dyne to >/<
After that, it is what it is.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:36 pm

For a larger hard-disk, I got a Fedora Core 7 setup going, with a realtime kernel, thanks to copy-paste install help fron the CCRMA website (Thanx, Fernando!)
I also installed E17, wineasio, my vsts, googled up
info to go online without turning root, and generally reaffirmed my loathing for this distro, while persevering
long enough to install the best bits of gnome and kde, to scramble around underneath enlightenment17, and the beautiful nightbling theme. Balmer and the boyz still have no fears, since no-one at gnome, kde, and xorg will join forces to cooperate, insuring that we mortals will forever have to futz out all the tricks, miniscule details, and who'd-a-ever-thunkits, to make an enjoyable linux desktop for audio creation...and enjoyable it is!

dover666 · Post by **dover666** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:56 pm

a while back i did install a ubuntu build just to check it out, while i was in the middle of getting an old hp fully functional, and i was amazed at how fast it booted and ran software... the gimp came on immediatly after i clicked on the icon, i mean, the toolbar was there, ready to start a new image, as soon as i clicked on the icon... too bad i use xp for synthedit and games....

HellMind · Post by **HellMind** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:25 pm

Anyone knows good sounds cards ( Low latency ) to use with a midi controller? ( Linux compatible )
X-fi is nice with the latency but it sucks when we talk about drivers

Leeate · Post by **Leeate** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:47 pm

If we talk about linux and audio softwares, why is that Muse is so unpopular?
Everyone talks about Ardour that hasn't even got as many features as Muse/Wired stb.. has.
It would be so cool if these developer groups united and focused on one software.
Could you imagine what a market leader steinberg-ass-kicker software would exist then? And if they would contribute with the Ubuntu Studio team... And the os would be made only for serving this app. And you dont have to pay a penny for these..
*dreaming*

stevesg · Post by **stevesg** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:20 pm

after 2 days of futzing,I managed to go from vanilla feisty to something w/ a low latency kernel, jack, rosegarden, and a native linux softsynth that allowed me to play a midi file out my laptop speakers (P4 1.8 GHz, 512M, linux on a 20MB partition)and change patches on the fly. no X-runs, but required jack/ALSA settings that gave ca 90 msec latency at 44.1 KHz.

why put out the effort? so I can export as a Csound score and mangle it so it can be featured on WPRB-Princeton? I guess I had too much spare time this weekend....

s.

aeron · Post by **aeron** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:02 am

If we talk about linux and audio softwares, why is that Muse is so unpopular?
Everyone talks about Ardour that hasn't even got as many features as Muse/Wired stb.. has.
It would be so cool if these developer groups united and focused on one software.
Could you imagine what a market leader steinberg-ass-kicker software would exist then? And if they would contribute with the Ubuntu Studio team... And the os would be made only for serving this app. And you dont have to pay a penny for these..
*dreaming*

Haha! And by having it on Linux it's like double duty, kicking m$'s ass! FIGHT THE POWAH!

Seriously, though. Linux is so much faster internally. It uses less memory than windows, I don't see why it hasn't caught on so much in the audio world. What we need to do is get some programmers together and build a distribution tweaked and ready out of the box for maximum audio performance! That would be the day!
*dreaming*

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:31 am

stevesg wrote:after 2 days of futzing,I managed to go from vanilla feisty to something w/ a low latency kernel, jack, rosegarden, and a native linux softsynth that allowed me to play a midi file out my laptop speakers (P4 1.8 GHz, 512M, linux on a 20MB partition)and change patches on the fly. no X-runs, but required jack/ALSA settings that gave ca 90 msec latency at 44.1 KHz.

why put out the effort? so I can export as a Csound score and mangle it so it can be featured on WPRB-Princeton? I guess I had too much spare time this weekend....

s.

Hi, Fedora 7 with CCRMA realtime kernel should get you around 6ms latency, on your setup...something is a bit wrong under the hood. Are you using qjackctl? If so,
is your realtime box ticked, and its priority at 89? You might want to google
your exact kernel and soundcard, and make sure permissions are uniform on audio apps.
A low latency kernel may not be the equal of a realtime kernel, again, google will
help, have you tried JAD, or Studio64 live DvDs? Or a Mepis/Knoppix Debian setup?

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:02 am

aeron wrote:
If we talk about linux and audio softwares, why is that Muse is so unpopular?
Everyone talks about Ardour that hasn't even got as many features as Muse/Wired stb.. has.
It would be so cool if these developer groups united and focused on one software.
Could you imagine what a market leader steinberg-ass-kicker software would exist then? And if they would contribute with the Ubuntu Studio team... And the os would be made only for serving this app. And you dont have to pay a penny for these..
*dreaming*
Haha! And by having it on Linux it's like double duty, kicking m$'s ass! FIGHT THE POWAH!

Seriously, though. Linux is so much faster internally. It uses less memory than windows, I don't see why it hasn't caught on so much in the audio world. What we need to do is get some programmers together and build a distribution tweaked and ready out of the box for maximum audio performance! That would be the day!
*dreaming*

Linux is faster in what way? My RME goes to 0.7ms under Windows. Thats the only speed Im interested in. As for using less memory, who cares about a few extra MBs? The reason Linux isnt more popular for audio is that Linux is still geeky. You often have to drop into command line and most musos just want to make music. Most stuff is run under WINE anyway, might just as well use windows lol

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:17 am

aeron wrote:
If we talk about linux and audio softwares, why is that Muse is so unpopular?
Everyone talks about Ardour that hasn't even got as many features as Muse/Wired stb.. has.
It would be so cool if these developer groups united and focused on one software.
Could you imagine what a market leader steinberg-ass-kicker software would exist then? And if they would contribute with the Ubuntu Studio team... And the os would be made only for serving this app. And you dont have to pay a penny for these..
*dreaming*
Haha! And by having it on Linux it's like double duty, kicking m$'s ass! FIGHT THE POWAH!

Seriously, though. Linux is so much faster internally. It uses less memory than windows, I don't see why it hasn't caught on so much in the audio world. What we need to do is get some programmers together and build a distribution tweaked and ready out of the box for maximum audio performance! That would be the day!
*dreaming*

Most musicians have the Microsoft Wintel chicken, and deny hatching from an egg, Linux
hardware support is spotty, and those who by plan or by luck have linux supported hardware can get good performance, after learning the basics of linux and audio apps, too much work for most of the dual/quadcore 2gig mem crowd, who have more computing power than ability to produce music...there is lack of a fundamental need for refined linux performance, when brute force wintel is working. Now once someones DAW is hauled off by the FBI for serving
strange files, or hands out the owners personals to wireless hackers, or simply gazes out
at the band with a virus infested glare, things may seem to hint that an alternative may be considered.

When linux, jackd, a realtime kernel, mAudio soundcard, nVidia graphics card, and wineasio are teemed up, recording VSTs to external hardware works very well even on modest hardware
and windoze can be run in a modem-free computer, free from massive security countermeasures

hseiken · Post by **hseiken** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:32 pm

Stay tuned for the (almost certain) possibility of ReNoise for Linux.

alxstewart · Post by **alxstewart** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:17 pm

As I'm going about learning my way around Ubuntu, I found this video blog;

http://tuxbeats.blogspot.com/

tailored toward beginners.

lowkey · Post by **lowkey** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:02 pm

alxstewart wrote:As I'm going about learning my way around Ubuntu, I found this video blog;

http://tuxbeats.blogspot.com/

tailored toward beginners.

thank you for this site. Ive finally set up jack for low, stable latency

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