, problem is i found it hard to get used to it's way of doing things. I keep trying to fit it into what i'm used to (VA), and I know it doesn't work that way, but i'm having trouble getting the modulations i want without the normal lfo>filter, lfo>pan, and so on to get the timbres i want, i keep finding myself trying to make rhino do what i am used to. someone please help me get out of this! any tips to get to sounds faster would be greatly appreciated, along with some advice on getting my head to make the transition.Rhino- Trying to tame the beast...
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- KVRist
- 446 posts since 26 Nov, 2007
OK so i boutght Rhino this summer, but i'm afraid it's sat on the shelf most of the time , problem is i found it hard to get used to it's way of doing things. I keep trying to fit it into what i'm used to (VA), and I know it doesn't work that way, but i'm having trouble getting the modulations i want without the normal lfo>filter, lfo>pan, and so on to get the timbres i want, i keep finding myself trying to make rhino do what i am used to. someone please help me get out of this! any tips to get to sounds faster would be greatly appreciated, along with some advice on getting my head to make the transition.
, problem is i found it hard to get used to it's way of doing things. I keep trying to fit it into what i'm used to (VA), and I know it doesn't work that way, but i'm having trouble getting the modulations i want without the normal lfo>filter, lfo>pan, and so on to get the timbres i want, i keep finding myself trying to make rhino do what i am used to. someone please help me get out of this! any tips to get to sounds faster would be greatly appreciated, along with some advice on getting my head to make the transition.In the future there will be robots!
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- KVRian
- 1164 posts since 16 Aug, 2004
Only use what you need and keep track of what is being used in your head. It will always be more difficult to use as you cant easily have an overview of the patch compared to a simpler 1 page interface.
I find it a bit of a pain to edit Rhino, tabs for the envelopes would make things quicker and the tabs could have an on/off buttons. I love Rhino, especially for pads but it could be made quicker to edit and that would be a significant improvement.
I find it a bit of a pain to edit Rhino, tabs for the envelopes would make things quicker and the tabs could have an on/off buttons. I love Rhino, especially for pads but it could be made quicker to edit and that would be a significant improvement.
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- KVRAF
- 3002 posts since 24 Nov, 2003 from Heidelberg&Hamburg
I am surely not a world-class preset-maker 
, but often I got useable sounds of this unique wonderful synth after going through the tutorials of the website. Maybe you didn't look into them yet? The link would be HERE. It's no all-in-a-go tutorials, but rather additions to the manual, but covers a lot of things, for example using the additive-envelope import feature, or tut 1 on how to make a analog string preset. I learned a lot of this, and by looking what the master-presetmakers like Daniel did with this monstersynth 
. You won't regret to have bought it I am sure. I am sad I bought one or a few others I don't need after knowing Rhino2 a bit better...
Still I am far behind really good sound-makers in Rhino, I am sure.
, but often I got useable sounds of this unique wonderful synth after going through the tutorials of the website. Maybe you didn't look into them yet? The link would be HERE. It's no all-in-a-go tutorials, but rather additions to the manual, but covers a lot of things, for example using the additive-envelope import feature, or tut 1 on how to make a analog string preset. I learned a lot of this, and by looking what the master-presetmakers like Daniel did with this monstersynth . You won't regret to have bought it I am sure. I am sad I bought one or a few others I don't need after knowing Rhino2 a bit better... Still I am far behind really good sound-makers in Rhino, I am sure.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 446 posts since 26 Nov, 2007
thanks for the responses, i'm starting tut 1 now. yeah daniel's presets are awesome, it really is amazing what he can do with it. I tried to study his and tim's banks but i think i need to start small with this one and work my way up, it's true i get lost in the options, so i'll start with small patches and work my way up to the more complex (i can't imagine keeping track of some of those presets in my head, but we'll see). i bought the synth becuase of the possibilites, and got a little daunted, thanks all i'll post up any good ones i might come up with.
p.s.- once i finally tame this monster i'll do a skin or two (i'm comfortable with that).
i'll post up any good ones i might come up with.p.s.- once i finally tame this monster i'll do a skin or two (i'm comfortable with that).
In the future there will be robots!
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Actually, they do ! just click on the little led near the osc number to temporarily disable the oscillator.projectdan wrote:the tabs could have an on/off buttons.
'Tick
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- KVRist
- 356 posts since 13 Oct, 2002
I had checked Rhino 1 or 2 years ago because I was interested in buying. But the preset management was a mess. I always save presets of all synths on another drive. No chance to do with Rhino that time! Why don't all devs choose the well-proved fxp/fxb-system?
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Not sure I understand what you mean, since Rhino saves its presets as fxp / fxb
'Tick
'Tick
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- KVRist
- 356 posts since 13 Oct, 2002
Yes, as far as I remember does Rhino save/load fxp/fxb files, but in an unusual way. You have to do it by the plug-menu with txt files. I always do it with the host menu. That didn't reproduce the same settings somehow. Perhaps you have changed it with updates...
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- KVRAF
- 5666 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
'Tick, how about a 'solo' state as well ? When I want to hear just one osc, I need to mute all the others one by one, so to speed things up, a solo would be beneficial. Perhaps, this could be a user defined option, have the LEDs as 'mute' or 'solo', or if there is a way to implemet both, then that would be the best option ! Or maybe 'shift' + LED click would solo the osc ? Ideas..ideas...Big Tick wrote:Actually, they do ! just click on the little led near the osc number to temporarily disable the oscillator.projectdan wrote:the tabs could have an on/off buttons.
'Tick
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
I can understand why you would need "solo", however if you use FM it will not be very useful because the final osc will not sound the same than the soloed one. Tricky... I guess what you would like is to hear the osc, as it sounds with all FM applied, but without the other oscs contributing to the output...himalaya wrote: 'Tick, how about a 'solo' state as well ? When I want to hear just one osc, I need to mute all the others one by one, so to speed things up, a solo would be beneficial. Perhaps, this could be a user defined option, have the LEDs as 'mute' or 'solo', or if there is a way to implemet both, then that would be the best option ! Or maybe 'shift' + LED click would solo the osc ? Ideas..ideas...
I'm not really fond of shift-click , or any other keys combinations - nobody seems to remember them
'Tick
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- KVRist
- 273 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from US
The easiest way to figure out how to program is to simply play with the parameters and take note of how it changes the sound. My first beta version of Rhino only had 7 patches to experiment with; all my presets came from playing with these to learn how to tame the "beast". A lot of wonderful "accidents" were created this way.
If you want to learn about string sounds, take several apart osc by osc to see how the sound changes. Imitating PWM can be done several ways: FM, phase modulation, using a sample, different vibrato speeds for each osc, detuning, etc. or any combination of these. There's no wrong way.
The way Rhino is designed really fits my way of thinking but may not appeal to everyone. Fortunately, there are many free banks available to use. Start with something close to what you want and go nuts...
If you want to learn about string sounds, take several apart osc by osc to see how the sound changes. Imitating PWM can be done several ways: FM, phase modulation, using a sample, different vibrato speeds for each osc, detuning, etc. or any combination of these. There's no wrong way.
The way Rhino is designed really fits my way of thinking but may not appeal to everyone. Fortunately, there are many free banks available to use. Start with something close to what you want and go nuts...
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- KVRAF
- 2175 posts since 10 Mar, 2006
lotus2035 wrote:should have bought a dog dude!..much less hassle..theorize wrote:OK so i bought a Rhino this summer,
"The educated person is one who knows how to find out what he does not know" - George Simmel
"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." - Jesus Christ
"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." - Jesus Christ
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- KVRAF
- 5666 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
That's true.Big Tick wrote:I can understand why you would need "solo", however if you use FM it will not be very useful because the final osc will not sound the same than the soloed one. Tricky... I guess what you would like is to hear the osc, as it sounds with all FM applied, but without the other oscs contributing to the output...himalaya wrote: 'Tick, how about a 'solo' state as well ? When I want to hear just one osc, I need to mute all the others one by one, so to speed things up, a solo would be beneficial. Perhaps, this could be a user defined option, have the LEDs as 'mute' or 'solo', or if there is a way to implemet both, then that would be the best option ! Or maybe 'shift' + LED click would solo the osc ? Ideas..ideas...
I'm not really fond of shift-click , or any other keys combinations - nobody seems to remember them
'Tick
I always wanted 'solo' on my SY77 when using algorithms like number 45 ie; where there are only carriers and no modulators. Having to mute/unmute five oscillators (I mean carriers) all the time has really damaged the buttons, so I suppose I still hanker after a quicker way to demo one carrier from my time wroking with the SY ( this is mainly to hear the envelope response ).
I suppose having solo in Rhino makes more sense, sine each carrier can use one of the generated waves/samples without any further 'FM' input, so in effect it can turn to being a six oscillator 'rompler' ( not really but you know what I mean).
In any case, working with Rhino is infinitely more quick than my SY, so having solo is just a luxury, and we all know we can live without luxuries !
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- KVRAF
- 5666 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
HunterKiller wrote:lotus2035 wrote:should have bought a dog dude!..much less hassle..theorize wrote:OK so i bought a Rhino this summer,
brilliant