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bbtr · Post by **bbtr** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:10 pm

- IMHO anything pre-1990 can't possibly be modern. The world changes very fast, we're living in a new period that started somewhere around that date, so the best term for most of the composers mentioned above is "old-school", I'm afraid...

- Dropping Infected Mushroom in this thread is a crime! Or a joke??? Man, check out Electric Universe, Koxbox, X-Dream or almost any other psy-trance act, before saying IM are any good!

- I thought of adding Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker to the list (for the bebop they made), but I'll be contradicting myself if I do.

+1 for Autechre

- To add some balance, you might want to check this one out:
http://www.discogs.com/release/542824

It's a "modern classic", I might say, no matter what YOU think.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:18 pm

ahh sweet

Plieuw · Post by **Plieuw** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:58 pm

http://www.myspace.com/alonetogether2030

one of the best composers today from Japan....glitchy piano stuff
really strange semi-commercial shizl....

bbtr · Post by **bbtr** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:44 pm

nuffink wrote:

Yeah, and basically, it's just a list of personal favourites. (again)
"Best" is not a precise (or measurable) term.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:49 pm

bbtr wrote:
nuffink wrote:
Yeah, and basically, it's just a list of personal favourites. (again)
"Best" is not a precise (or measurable) term.

True, but there is something uniquely pretentious about tarncistas. You never see fans of any other pop form taking themselves this seriously (with the possible exception of proggers). Give 'em an arpeggiator and they think they're heirs to the tradition of Bach, Beethoven and Mozart.

Download SOphist · Post by **Download SOphist** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:39 pm

bbtr wrote:- I thought of adding Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker to the list (for the bebop they made), but I'll be contradicting myself if I do.

but it would be true !

Topiness · Post by **Topiness** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:44 pm

Thomas Newman.

did the sountracks for Shawshank Redemption and American Beauty, among many others. Oh, and the "Six Feet Under" theme...

digitalstasis · Post by **digitalstasis** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:29 pm

bbtr wrote: - I thought of adding Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker to the list (for the bebop they made), but I'll be contradicting myself if I do.

Well you could add Fairuz (or the Rahbani brothers), Derya Turkan, Li Xianting, Ali Akbar Khan, Ustad Mohammad Omar, Hariprasad Chaurasia, Ali Farka Touré, Hamza El Din, Anouar Brahem, Thelonious Monk, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, etc, etc.

But do not contradict yourself cause the world would implode if you discovered that music is not on a strip that goes from bad too good, nor civilization I'm afraid. Technology is not a measurement of musical quality. I'd certainly find a lot of wonderful singers and musicians if it was possible to hear what existed before 1920, and a lot of discs from the 20s or 30s burn to the ground what you think is great modern music.

Music begins and stops in human emotions, not in technology or in the numbers of gadgets or wallmarts around.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:08 pm

there is music from the 13th century that so far outstrips this hunch-to-the-metronome excuse for rhythm you got in some of this amped-up dancefloor action, that you'd think it was 8 centuries ahead not behind, if you were dealing in the technology of thought.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:14 pm

jancivil wrote:there is music from the 13th century that so far outstrips this hunch-to-the-metronome excuse for rhythm you got in some of this amped-up dancefloor action, that you'd think it was 8 centuries ahead not behind, if you were dealing in the technology of thought.

I take it you're not a dancer, jan.

Murky · Post by **Murky** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:22 pm

You mean I can't measure my genius by the number of vst's I own?

I actually have to have talent? Well, that changes everything. Next I suppose you will want everyone to actually finish a project. Boy this music business is tough!

Stravinsky
Prokofiev
Saite (beyond the over played stuff, I've always liked "Parade")
Bela Bartok
Zoltan Kodaly
Bernard Herrmann (not John Williams for film music)
And yes, Zappa.

Since we are talking composition (compared to musicianship) I like a lot of the work of Brian Eno and his ability to take experimental composition techniques and still make them "rock". In Pop and Rock, Brian Wilson and John Lennon have also had their moments.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:23 pm

nuffink wrote:
jancivil wrote:there is music from the 13th century that so far outstrips this hunch-to-the-metronome excuse for rhythm you got in some of this amped-up dancefloor action, that you'd think it was 8 centuries ahead not behind, if you were dealing in the technology of thought.
I take it you're not a dancer, jan.

I am a fantastic dancer, I just don't require a metronome to keep time is all. This is the basis for my objection, BEAT subs for RHYTHM. I like a lot of African rhythm for instance, it makes me want to get a real groove on.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:25 pm

jancivil wrote:I am a fantastic dancer, I just don't require a metronome to keep time is all. This is the basis for my objection, BEAT subs for RHYTHM. I like a lot of African rhythm for instance, it makes me want to get a real groove on.

Hunching isn't always actual dancing, IMO.

So go on then, give us a clue. Name a piece of 13th century music that "far outstrips this hunch-to-the-metronome excuse for rhythm you got in some of this amped-up dancefloor action, that you'd think it was 8 centuries ahead not behind".

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:32 pm

well, if you are one with an emotional investment in the trance or what-have-you genres, and an entrenched POV that is the opposite of mine anyway, I think that my doing the research for you just to prove a point would be a colossal waste of my time.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:33 pm

Yeah, that's what I thought

Best Modern Composers