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aliasant · Post by **aliasant** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:08 pm

About Inerthia.

Im the stupid guy who made it.

Sickle said something in a mail that there was some kind of discussion about it over at KVR... I made a search and found this topic.

Gonna make a few clarifications.....

1 There is a demo and I removed the noise thing in it. The only limitation is that there is no presets and automation.

2 The demo exists because I need to get feedback from people like you guys. It is a released product
but I have no good way to sell it. As it is now I sell it via email and money transaction. Not the best but I have no
choice right now.

3 The reason that I havnt released any of my other little toys is because the problem selling them.
Theres also another big problem and that is that the administration and logistics of selling plugins is very hard.
Also I havnt figured out how to do the protection antipiracy thing yet. So. The copies I do sell are personal copies
that dont need any copy protection.

4 When I get this administration crap figured out I will start selling it in a normal fashion.
Probably paypal or something similar. Not sure yet.

5 Here is a direct link to a demo:

http://martin.rodensjo.se/Products/Iner ... 20Demo.zip

Try it out and I hope you like it. It has taken years to make.

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Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:15 pm

Aliasant, you should start your own thread if you want to get good feedback. Looking for it in a midiworks product thread might not get you the right kind of attention you're looking for..

I've never understood your reluctance to make your products available commercially or otherwise; surely if you're willing to do the apparently large amount of work building them you'd be able to find a way to market them as well. Many developers just use paypal and the registration method of your choice.

Come out of the VST closet, man!

edit: also, I doubt anyone here thinks you're 'stupid', but I'm sure everyone would agree that you'd be well received indeed if you made yourself just a little more visible/accessible in places like KVR, etc.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:16 pm

Sickle wrote:Aliasant, you should start your own thread if you want to get good feedback. Looking for it in a midiworks product thread might not get you the right kind of attention you're looking for..

I've never understood your reluctance to make your products available commercially or otherwise; surely if you're willing to do the apparently large amount of work building them you'd be able to find a way to market them as well. Many developers just use paypal and the registration method of your choice.

Come out of the VST closet, man!

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shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:19 pm

aliasant wrote:5 Here is a direct link to a demo

Man, I tried your compressor, but it didn't create all sorts of nasty, unpleasant clicks all over my audio. I think it must be broken.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:20 pm

Also, if you're unsure about license protection methods, why not discuss it in the developer's area here? I can't think of a better resource for you to tap:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=33

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:49 pm

aliasant wrote:Theres also another big problem and that is that the administration and logistics of selling plugins is very hard.
Also I havnt figured out how to do the protection antipiracy thing yet. So. The copies I do sell are personal copies
that dont need any copy protection.

I'd suggest you concentrate on setting up a storefront that is managed by someone else, let them take their percentage, and get things rolling. You clearly don't want to deal with the admin stuff, so spend a little money and have it all handled for you.

As for copy protection, a simple serial number will keep most from easily acquiring a full working copy. As a very small dev, you cannot prevent your software from being cracked and also have a running business that is successful and easy for both you and your customers. If you focus on trying to prevent cracking, you'll be concentrating on the wrong thing. It's sort of like companies that focus on avoiding taxes rather than putting that energy into building their business. If they're successful, paying taxes is simply part of the cost of being successful.

shogger · Post by **shogger** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:51 pm

shamann wrote:
aliasant wrote:5 Here is a direct link to a demo
Man, I tried your compressor, but it didn't create all sorts of nasty, unpleasant clicks all over my audio. I think it must be broken.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:55 pm

eduardo_b wrote:If you focus on trying to prevent cracking, you'll be concentrating on the wrong thing. It's sort of like companies that focus on avoiding taxes rather than putting that energy into building their business. If they're successful, paying taxes is simply part of the cost of being successful.

Besides, having your shit cracked makes you l33t!

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:05 pm

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shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:56 pm

Aw, now that we've been split off, the joke has lost its punch.

Meffy, since you've gone all housekeeping on us, any chance you could move bmanic's comments on Inerthia from here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204396

into this thread?

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:56 pm

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Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:01 pm

Can't move posts from one thread to another, just split one or more off into a new thread. Otherwise I'd be glad to do it.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:04 pm

That's a shame. I'll quote instead:

bmanic wrote:

I really love the GUI on this thing and I do like the sound as well. It can be pretty smooth and nice. The PDR (program dependent release) is a bit weird sometimes but overall it's a very nice compressor. It's obviously running at full samplerate (the envelope follower and gain riding element) as it can do some seriously snappy compression without distorting too much. The sidechain with a bandpass filter is a very clever 2 knob solution and works extremely well. Also, the output of the plugin is limited/soft clipped so even Brook might like this thing!!

Notice how Inerthia has no threshold? Well, the thing is you need to adjust the input level. It's the tiny pre-trim knob. Perhaps the only "flaw" of the GUI design. The input knob should be much larger as it's a very important knob.

The exciter section is pretty much useless IMHO.. I have not found any use for it at all.

Some questions:

1) How much do you sell this plugin for?
2) What plans are there for the future development of this plugin? Can we perhaps have a Mid/Side mode instead of the rather useless exciter section? Or perhaps variable stereo link?

Cheers!
bManic

aliasant · Post by **aliasant** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:35 pm

"I'd suggest you concentrate on setting up a storefront that is managed by someone else, let them take their percentage, and get things rolling. You clearly don't want to deal with the admin stuff, so spend a little money and have it all handled for you. "

This is exactly what I have been looking for but with no result.
Another plan was to sell it to a company for a one time price but I havnt pursued that yet since I first wanted to
try and sell it myself. I havnt been in a hurry. I recently got cancer so the treatment and shit has taken a lot of energy and time.. and hair. But the hair is back.. thank god for that.

"Some questions:

1) How much do you sell this plugin for?
2) What plans are there for the future development of this plugin? Can we perhaps have a Mid/Side mode instead of the rather useless exciter section? Or perhaps variable stereo link? "

Well. I set the price high now. 380€ but that would mean a lifetime license.

Future development plans are high. I have plans for a m/s version as well as a 4band version.

The exciter is something I like to use on mastering. Just a tiny bit. Its also nice to get some air in.

There were more Qs so Ill just keep answering.

About Paypal... Well. Im not the economy type of guy so I dont have a credit card. Meaning I cant use Paypal.

About this one "Man, I tried your compressor, but it didn't create all sorts of nasty, unpleasant clicks all over my audio. I think it must be broken."

Hmm. Seems to be some sort of bug then. What system, software are you using?

I have only tested it in Sonar and for the moment I dont have my audiocard so to be honest.. I never had a chance to test the latest demo properly but there were no indications that it should sound weird.
I will get my new audiocard back tonight so I wil make some tests tomorrow.

Has anyone else had that problem??

Oh. About the Comp not having a threshold... Well. Not entirely true.

It has a set threshold at -30dB
Also the Knee knob can be used a bit like a threshold.
The harder the knee the higher is the threshold..sort of. It works great. Try it.

About me beeing more of a forum guy here at KVR.
We have a forum at Synthmaker.com and that has been enough for me.

About software and hacking. Well. I dont really care if it gets hacked or not. Actually. Im conting on it. That would help spreading it. but it still need a small serial thing. I have something but it isnt working so well.

Last but not least... If anyone has a solution to the store/selling/serial/administration problem. Let me know.
If someone can set it up in a way that works, some sort of deal can be made. Im not greedy.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:40 pm

aliasant wrote:About this one "Man, I tried your compressor, but it didn't create all sorts of nasty, unpleasant clicks all over my audio. I think it must be broken."

Hmm. Seems to be some sort of bug then. What system, software are you using?

Sorry, please ignore that bit. I was making a joke in reference to the compressor in the other thread.

Inerthia (split from Slammer thread)