the return of the step sequencer

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Well personally I'm looking for something that has the live improvisational element of a Zyklus: http://www.maxmsp.ru/files/fizzarum/un_ ... zyklus.htm

As you can see, it's sort of like multiple sequencers running in tandem and almost a little like your multiple notes/arp per step.

The amazing thing about the Zyklus workflow is that you can jam and improvise melodies straight into it with MIDI input and then these can be triggered per step or on their own independent step-sequenced row.
At its most basic level it is rather like 12 polyphonic sequencers, each of which can be run at any transposition or set of simultaneous transpositions independently of the others, simply by pressing a not or chord on the MIDI control keyboard. 99 different sequences can be stored in each memory bank, of which any 12 can be assigned to the front panel for immediate access together with related control information. These sequences need not consist of repeating musical phrases. They could be single chords, short fast runs which end on held chords, segments of control data such as MIDI program changes, the synthesisers/drum part for an entire song, etc.
I urge you to have a little look at what it really means to improvise with a sequencer and consider adding some of that functionality to your project. :)

Good luck.

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AndreasKrebs wrote:About 25 years ago, I had much fun with this one:
http://www.korganalogue.net/korgms/manu ... panel.html
:D :D :D
Cheers,
Andreas
Andreas - same with me 8)
Had fun 25 years ago - and still have fun with it.
The SQ-10 is a great classic step sequencer and I like its 12 pots per row.

Frank
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spuddle wrote:Well personally I'm looking for something that has the live improvisational element of a Zyklus: http://www.maxmsp.ru/files/fizzarum/un_ ... zyklus.htm
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spuddle,

yes I remember that Bill Marshall/Vangelis thingie.
The link above didn't worked for me. In the SOS forum is another interesting thread about the Zyklus and the Direct, built for Vangelis:
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... =474100661
The idea of this topic was to find some ways to rid off the sequencers and the PC's in order to perform sportaneusly and more natural without preprogramming.
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napalmbob wrote:Spent the last few hours working on my DREAM SEQUENCER:
PrioTech USS-16iR
This is a great design - very clear.
To have rotaries for each function and the steps as switches is very economic
but also gives fast access.

Nice apparat - what do you want to do with this, do you build this sequencer just for yourself?
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Frank123 wrote:
spuddle wrote:Well personally I'm looking for something that has the live improvisational element of a Zyklus: http://www.maxmsp.ru/files/fizzarum/un_ ... zyklus.htm
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spuddle,

yes I remember that Bill Marshall/Vangelis thingie.
The link above didn't worked for me. In the SOS forum is another interesting thread about the Zyklus and the Direct, built for Vangelis:
http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... =474100661
The idea of this topic was to find some ways to rid off the sequencers and the PC's in order to perform sportaneusly and more natural without preprogramming.
Try it again: http://www.maxmsp.ru/files/fizzarum/un_ ... zyklus.htm

Works for me?

Good to hear that you're clued in and have similar aspirations ;)

Also there are youtube videos if you search for Zyklus.

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i so want and hardware stepseq, was looking hard at the octopus (www.genoqs.com) and that thing seems really well designed.

my dream sequencer would be a really simple 16 steps affair actually, the only thing i'd really love to have is the ability to have independent time multiplier for the different rows, something i've seen in some reaktor ensembles, that really helps the workflow, and makes the 16 steps design capable of more complex patterns.

Imho unlike software (where you can do whatever)in hardware you have to have a design that is both powerful and actually easy and fast to use, having 32 steps per row sounds mighty powerful but it doubles costs and it's actually a chore to program everything double the length
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grillo wrote:i so want and hardware stepseq, was looking hard at the octopus (www.genoqs.com) and that thing seems really well designed.

my dream sequencer would be a really simple 16 steps affair actually, the only thing i'd really love to have is the ability to have independent time multiplier for the different rows, something i've seen in some reaktor ensembles, that really helps the workflow, and makes the 16 steps design capable of more complex patterns.

Imho unlike software (where you can do whatever)in hardware you have to have a design that is both powerful and actually easy and fast to use, having 32 steps per row sounds mighty powerful but it doubles costs and it's actually a chore to program everything double the length

The costs are the problem. Not only the encoders but also the assembling would raise the price.
If we would target the octopus price range, then a sequencer with at least 4 rows a 32 steps would be no problem.

That's why I want to find out what the musicians are dreaming about but also willing to pay. Realistically.
8)

Time multipliers? Yes, noted! :)
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sorry double post
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For me, one important thing (beside the price) is: it must have switches to SKIP steps (not only mute).

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spuddle wrote:
Try it again: http://www.maxmsp.ru/files/fizzarum/un_ ... zyklus.htm

Works for me?

Good to hear that you're clued in and have similar aspirations ;)

Also there are youtube videos if you search for Zyklus.
If I understand the description correctly, the
Zyklus allows me to put 12 of its sequences onto the
blue switches for immediate access. Then I can trigger them
as I like.

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Interesting - wished I could see more of the switch labels,
the image is too small.

(I hope it's ok to link that image)
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Frank123 wrote:
napalmbob wrote:Spent the last few hours working on my DREAM SEQUENCER:
PrioTech USS-16iR
This is a great design - very clear.
To have rotaries for each function and the steps as switches is very economic
but also gives fast access.

Nice apparat - what do you want to do with this, do you build this sequencer just for yourself?
Its just a broad concept design. I have basically no knowledge of electonics (outside of high school physics classes), so I can't really build this beauty anyway.

It is designed for speed of use and live editing. Since I use a Korg EMX, its based (very) loosey on that. And I love encoders and blue LED's :D

You can borrow the basic concept (step buttons for step selection and rotary encoders for octave/note/velocity/length selection with an LCD for parameter value display and individual MIDI channel outs) for incorporation into your own sequencer, if you like.
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hi frank,
you might also take a look at the "schrittmacher" from manikin electronics (www.manikin-electronic.com). i saw it driving a virus ti in the concert of fanger and schönwälder. sounded quite cool.
cheers
reimund

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Gosh wrote:hi frank,
you might also take a look at the "schrittmacher" from manikin electronics (www.manikin-electronic.com)...
Reimund,
ja der Schrittmacher ist mir bekannt.Besonders den Namen find ich genial.;)

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Sehr gutes Gerät, aber wieviele Musiker haben 1590 Euro für einen Sequenzer übrig? Meiner wird erst mal in Richtung untere Preiskategorie gehen (unter 300 Euro) und auf Einzellinien spezialisiert sein (Harmonien sind trotzdem möglich, aber eben keine 32 unabhängigen Linien wie beim Schrittmacher)

Hat hier jemand Erfahrungen was den Live-Einsatz des Manikin angeht?
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I want something exactly like the Serge TKB, only affordable to mere mortals.
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http://www.serge-fans.com/wiz_seq.htm
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Frank123 wrote:
spuddle wrote:
Try it again: http://www.maxmsp.ru/files/fizzarum/un_ ... zyklus.htm

Works for me?

Good to hear that you're clued in and have similar aspirations ;)

Also there are youtube videos if you search for Zyklus.
If I understand the description correctly, the
Zyklus allows me to put 12 of its sequences onto the
blue switches for immediate access. Then I can trigger them
as I like.

Image

Interesting - wished I could see more of the switch labels,
the image is too small.

(I hope it's ok to link that image)
I have some more information for you:
http://www.elbizri.com/?p=112 (with quotes taken from the SoundOnSound threads below)

http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/Op ... =474100661
http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showf ... art=1&vc=1

And of course, the manual:
http://www.vyla.co.uk/Zyklus_MPS_Manual.pdf

:)

It should be noted that the Zyklus was quite a unique piece of hardware and a few removed from the classic step-sequencer as we know it. I am merely interested in incorporating more functionality and having a step-sequencer do more as an improvisational tool.

For a suggestion, why not design specs for two different hardware units? The all-out pricey one with all options you could dream of and has a price to reflect it. Then strip down that unit to build a cheap budget version with more limited functionality but a more mainstream price? I would imagine a lot of the work you do can be transfered between the two.

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