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I don't understand how no one out in the sample library world doesn't seem to care about a sample franchise with a rich list of credentials.

E-MU used to be a MAJOR player in the sound world: from emulators/drumulators, to sp-12/sp-1200, to proteus/classic keys/vintage keys. But since the demise of Ensoniq and the acquisition of E-MU/Ensoniq by Creative they have been regulated to being a shell of their former self. The E-MU(Emax/Emulator/SP-1200) vs. Akai (s900/MPC) sampler wars of the '90s were VERY reminiscent of a typical Apple VS. PC/Windows: heated, passionate, loyal alliances, etc. Now Akai is releasing a new MPC and E-MU is...

OK they have been working on software instruments, that apparently seem to work sometimes. I am an owner of the original Proteus X LE plug, that works OK for me; my system is blue screening occasionally so I don't know if those are system components or software, let alone the Proteus LE in particular. I happen to have the new Proteus X2 full version (the one included with the xboard 49), so I will see if that is more reliable/stable than the original ProteusX, or my LE version. If it is all I have to do is worry about a piece of E-MU hardware if I ever get rid of the xboard.

Once I got a taste of some of the E-MU ESC library titles, I immediately was reminded of E-MU's pedigree in the sampling world. You have to imagine that over 20 years (not just) in the field leaves them with a nice set of sample assets. I currently have Mo' Phatt, Beat Garden, Techno Synth Construction Yard, Protean Drums, Vintage Pro X 3: Keyboards; Planet Earth is coming with the xboard. There are a few more things (street kits, vintage x 1-2) I want but am reluctant to invest in a library that may not be accessible to me.

With that being said I put the blame of this oversight on the E-MU and the smapler makers.

E-MU:
Is it so difficult to release this library in a multiformat: EmuX, Kontakt, Halion, Giga? Is it that important that try and establish Proteus/Emulator X? How many more units would you sell if you targeted more than Emu/Proteus X users? How many Emu/Proteus X users are there compared to Kontakt users, Halion users, Giga users, and Reason Refill users?

Sample makers:
No one thinks it to be valuable to access this library? While you try to stuff samplers with 3GB, 7GB, 15GB, 32GB, 900TB, 125PetaBytes, 604ExaBytes or library, maybe you could utilize an already existing exemplary library?

Currently Samplelord is the only sampler I know of that will recognize all, but only loads some of the EXB files: Proteus Composer, Vintage Pro X 3 = yes, everything I currently have = no. There is some issue with a multisample library that Samplelord will not recognize. That's the explanation I got in an email response (less than 24 hours from my initial message) from the guy at Samplelord. Understandable, Samplelord is less than $200. There's no way you could get that feature set/functionality in Kontact, MachFive, Halion, or Giga AND keep the price so low.
:roll:

Call me crazy, but am I the only person who thinks the ESC library is fantastic and deserves to be more redily available?

Now I am very aware of Digital Sound Factory - http://www.digitalsoundfactory.com/ and there soundfont offering, as well as their port to Dimension Pro in conjunction with Cakewalk (by Roland - :o ). There are some solutions there; it looks like there are soundfont versions of Mo' Phatt, Proteus Composer, Vintage X, Virtuoseo, and I guess Old World Instruments. I am really concerned about my really-inspiring building blocks: Protean Drums, Beat Garden, and TSCY[/url]. There doesn't seem to be a 1 to 1 port of those. DSF mentions Orbit, but does not specify it as Orbit 3, which is what supposedly Beat Garden and TSCY are based on. The Cake library has PX-7, which I am assuming is identical in samples (maybe not patches :( ) to Protean Drums.

It seems a shame that this amazing-sounding resource will probably have to die.

Am I missing something?
Sorry for the rant.

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anyone with any thoughts.

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You pretty much nailed it.

The way E-mu -- or what's left of it -- is acting makes me wonder if it's going to even exist down the road.

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wwwill wrote:I don't understand how no one out in the sample library world doesn't seem to care about a sample franchise with a rich list of credentials.
There are those that live from creating sampling libraries, and those that rather sell hardware boxes. It's up to their marketing divisions :shrug:
wwwill wrote:E-MU's pedigree in the sampling world. You have to imagine that over 20 years (not just) in the field leaves them with a nice set of sample assets.
The Emulator dates from 1981, so that's actually 27 years in the field.
wwwill wrote:E-MU:
Is it so difficult to release this library in a multiformat: EmuX, Kontakt, Halion, Giga? Is it that important that try and establish Proteus/Emulator X? How many more units would you sell if you targeted more than Emu/Proteus X users? How many Emu/Proteus X users are there compared to Kontakt users, Halion users, Giga users, and Reason Refill users?
You can't sell the same libraries over and over again in new formats. Old wine in new bottles... They seem to see their libraries as add-ons for their main products, not as a main product on its own. That's their decision. And if you like those libraries there's probably usable sample translation software to convert it to other formats.
http://www.extranslator.com/formats.html
http://www.chickensys.com/support/softw ... status.php
wwwill wrote:Sample makers:
No one thinks it to be valuable to access this library? While you try to stuff samplers with 3GB, 7GB, 15GB, 32GB, 900TB, 125PetaBytes, 604ExaBytes or library, maybe you could utilize an already existing exemplary library?
One cannot reuse an existing library without consequences. If you apply for a license to do that, it could be simply turned down, or not under cost-effective conditions.
wwwill wrote:It seems a shame that this amazing-sounding resource will probably have to die.
Not as long as you're still using it ;-)
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well look at chicken systems. I hadn't seen the EmuX listed before. If this works I'll be a happy camper. :D

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wwwill wrote:
Call me crazy, but am I the only person who thinks the ESC library is fantastic and deserves to be more redily available?

funny, I think that EmuX2 is a great sampler but that ESC lib is terrible. You sound like an old rompler. Terrible. Even if Emu made the best rompler.

They should have developped some new stuff for EmuX with longer samples.

The stuff I bought from esc (old world instr) can't even match the ethnic lib I had on my Roland s50 back in 1988.

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wwwill wrote: Call me crazy, but am I the only person who thinks the ESC library is fantastic and deserves to be more redily available?

Now I am very aware of Digital Sound Factory - http://www.digitalsoundfactory.com/ and there soundfont offering, as well as their port to Dimension Pro in conjunction with Cakewalk (by Roland - :o ). There are some solutions there; it looks like there are soundfont versions of Mo' Phatt, Proteus Composer, Vintage X, Virtuoseo, and I guess Old World Instruments. I am really concerned about my really-inspiring building blocks: Protean Drums, Beat Garden, and TSCY[/url]. There doesn't seem to be a 1 to 1 port of those. DSF mentions Orbit, but does not specify it as Orbit 3, which is what supposedly Beat Garden and TSCY are based on. The Cake library has PX-7, which I am assuming is identical in samples (maybe not patches :( ) to Protean Drums.

It seems a shame that this amazing-sounding resource will probably have to die.

Am I missing something?
Sorry for the rant.
Hi :) ,

Just wanted to let you know that www.DigitalSoundFactory.com has an exclusive license with E-MU to re format and distribute all hardware and ESC libraries originally developed by E-MU. We are in the process of converting more libraries from this vast amount of sound data. I was responsible for the sound development of these libraries when I worked at E-MU.
As for your questions, we currently offer Orbit 1. Orbit 3 contains TSCY and Beat Garden and involves an extended license with Rob Papen not yet complete. The PX-7 drum library is not possible to re produce in SoundFont format due to the large amount of articulation parameters required. The Cakewalk Dimension PX-7 was programmed to match the original as closely as possible. In fact, all the libraries are designed to match as closely as possible to the original hardware, so that your sequences will work without hardware.
Also, we offer a free download of examples to check out before you make a purchase.
For a limited time, simply enter the coupon code KVRAUDIO at checkout, and get a 25% instant discount on all SoundFont libraries.

Best Regards,

Tim
Tim@DigitalSoundFactory.com

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Have you tried using Extreme Sample Converter to convert formats?

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Extreme Sample Converter, amde by the same people as Samplelord, only recognizes certain types of EmuX files. It looks like Chicken Systems Translator will do it, but NOT the free translator. I don't really want to gamble $100 if the pro version works.

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It's only $80 if you get a Special Edition catered to your formats.

And we do guarantee it completely working to your satisfaction, as far as we respond immediately to any concerns.

The point of Translator is to allow any format to be convertible into anything else, so you aren't "trapped" by companys no longer supporting things, etc.
Garth Hjelte
Chicken Systems, Inc.
support@chickensys.com
http://www.chickensys.com

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The Digital Sound Factory stuff that I have heared is very good - sounds better than the originals. To me E-Mu had the edge on drums/percussion sounds and bass patches. I don't know if it is still available, but DSF had a free sample library of some of the original E-Mu patches re-done by them and rendered as soundfonts - great sounding, useful stuff. I'll be buying some of their libraries as soon as I get my new studio set up (new machine & room). The new Digital Sound Factory renderings sound a little "edgier" than the original samples and they make better use of the stereo field.

Peace: bubba

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Bubbamusic wrote:The Digital Sound Factory stuff that I have heared is very good - sounds better than the originals. To me E-Mu had the edge on drums/percussion sounds and bass patches. I don't know if it is still available, but DSF had a free sample library of some of the original E-Mu patches re-done by them and rendered as soundfonts - great sounding, useful stuff. I'll be buying some of their libraries as soon as I get my new studio set up (new machine & room). The new Digital Sound Factory renderings sound a little "edgier" than the original samples and they make better use of the stereo field.

Peace: bubba
Well, I can't speak for the soundfonts, but I got on the sfz versions for Dimension Pro and they are fantastic. Sound better than the original hardware I used to own (of course, the SFZ engine helps eith that too). Of course, almost everyone has owned an Emu rack and some ROMs, so the comparision is easily made and people can attest to this themselves. Great care and processing can really make them alive.

As for re-releasing the old sets again and again, well, as for Emu sounds, they are a great sound that rival any bloatware offering in the ubergigabyte libraries. And the newer synths and samplers, like (especially) Dimension Pro get new life to them and can not only stack them up in the remaining element slots how you like, but can be mixed and matched with any other SFZ format patch out there and the old is actually very, very much new again...and with the tweakability of Dimension Pro (and even loading those sounds in Rapture!!!), how can they be stale?

And FYI, Extreme Sample Converter and Translator can both translate the EmuX/ProteusX soundset, BUT ALL EXPANSIONS have the samples encrypted, and can not be translated...

The good news is that people will buy those expansion CDs and even Protues/EmulatorX if they have an Emu card or controller...

I dumped the Emu stuff off on eBay and they sold, you probably should too. Dimension LE comes with the SFZ versions of Digital Sound Factory's Emu Packs, so you get functionality out of the box...so to speak.

Win-win, I can't say enough good about these Proteus Packs, and Dimension Pro for that matter.

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