KVR Audio

kodama · Post by **kodama** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:18 am

Frank123 wrote:
kodama wrote:A nice feature would be a pattern bank with features like Microtonic's
Can you please explain abit more?
Do you mean just buttons to call the next pattern to play?

Yep, just a bank of patterns in each preset than can be fired off or chained.

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:13 am

And don't forget number 3

3) With what will it be easier and more inspirational to create uber-cool, chart-topping sequences.

markoos · Post by **markoos** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:53 pm

a Sound on Sound review of the Sequentix P3 (review below)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun06/a ... ntixp3.htm stated "it allows you to work in ways that wouldn't occur to you in a software environment, as well as with drum machine, real-time record and step-record methodologies. You'll certainly generate results that wouldn't arise in software — the knobs have a lot to do with this."

- and also said this: "It goes much further than its competition in its approach to sequencing... In short, there's no other product, soft or hard, that exactly matches what's on offer here."

And it summarised with this: "If you've any leanings in the direction of knobby analogue sequencing, you're probably already a P3 owner or are saving up to become one. It's a winner." Shame it's dead

... http://www.sequentix.com

Thought I would post this in case there are any features which you might find interesting, Frank123

Frank123 · Post by **Frank123** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:18 pm

markoos wrote:..
Thought I would post this in case there are any features which you might find interesting, Frank123

Thank you markoos - In order to explore the features I'm still collecting information about all sequencers of history. This kind of links are of great help.

So far my list of mainly step-oriented machines:

Analogue Solutions Oberkorn MK2
Analogue Solutions Oberkorn MK3
Analogue Solutions SQ-8
Anyware Inseqt
Arp1601
Cyclodon
Doepfer A-155
Doepfer MAQ16-3
Doepfer Regelwerk
Elrad
Future Retro Mobius
Geiss MatriSequencer 250
Genoqs Octopus
InfectionMusic Zeit
Korg SQ10
Latronic Norton
Manikin Schrittmacher
mfb-601
mfb-602
mfb-step64
Midibox SEQ-V3
Milton21
ModCan 54b
Moscovitz
Outerspace 16
Roland System 104
Roland System 717
SAM-16
SND SAM16
SQ-16
Sequentix P3
Serge TKB
SignalArts MAPS
Spectral Audio Cyclus3
SuperMoe
Synrise 8
Synthanorma
synthesizers.com
TE-1
TechnoToys Mikado

I checked the manuals, but I'm more interested in what the users (YOU!)actually like and dislike.

Frank

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:41 pm

That looks fairly comprehensive. Personally, I'm looking at the Plan B Model 21 Milton for my next sequencer, so that should give you an idea of my leanings...

Frank123 · Post by **Frank123** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:14 pm

deastman wrote:That looks fairly comprehensive. Personally, I'm looking at the Plan B Model 21 Milton for my next sequencer, so that should give you an idea of my leanings...

Do you think the Plan B sequencer thing will finally make it in 2008?

markoos · Post by **markoos** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:03 am

Frank123 wrote: I'm more interested in what the users (YOU!)actually like and dislike. Frank

wow, that is some list...I have to say though, I haven't actually used a sequentix before. In fact, my experience goes as far as a Yamaha RM1x and a Korg ESX-1, so as far as personal experience goes - sorry I can't give you any true feedback. I'll be keeping a close eye on this thread though, thats for sure!

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:41 am

markoos wrote:
Frank123 wrote: I'm more interested in what the users (YOU!)actually like and dislike. Frank
wow, that is some list...I have to say though, I haven't actually used a sequentix before. In fact, my experience goes as far as a Yamaha RM1x and a Korg ESX-1, so as far as personal experience goes - sorry I can't give you any true feedback. I'll be keeping a close eye on this thread though, thats for sure!

Actually, my friend with the Serge TKB also has an RM1x, and thinks quite highly of it. Never tried it myself...

Meloday · Post by **Meloday** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:10 am

markoos wrote:a Sound on Sound review of the Sequentix P3 (review below)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun06/a ... ntixp3.htm stated "it allows you to work in ways that wouldn't occur to you in a software environment, as well as with drum machine, real-time record and step-record methodologies. You'll certainly generate results that wouldn't arise in software — the knobs have a lot to do with this."

- and also said this: "It goes much further than its competition in its approach to sequencing... In short, there's no other product, soft or hard, that exactly matches what's on offer here."

And it summarised with this: "If you've any leanings in the direction of knobby analogue sequencing, you're probably already a P3 owner or are saving up to become one. It's a winner." Shame it's dead ... http://www.sequentix.com

Thought I would post this in case there are any features which you might find interesting, Frank123

word on the street is that Colin (P3 dev) is planning on P4. From what i gather, the 4.0 firmware for the P3 incorporates some of the functionality of the P4. Not sure how soon this will come to fruition though.

Meloday · Post by **Meloday** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:11 am

great list, by the way!

Meloday · Post by **Meloday** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:25 am

just came across a mobius on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Future-Retro-Mo ... dZViewItem

wish i had some spare cash

Frank123 · Post by **Frank123** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:10 am

deastman wrote:
1)What kind of sequencer would YOU like to build?
2)How will it be different/better than what is already available?

I have clear plans, because I want to build this machine to be a central gear in my own studio. But such a machine could also be useful for other composers.

Today a sequencer is the heart of the music making process. Because there are so many ways to produce music, there are even more ways how a sequencer would be useful for the musician.

Speaking of my own needs, I'm about to implement all those clever algorithms and rules into this machine which help me in extending themes of my composition, help me in arranging and composing alternative lines.
But while I'm more a type of classical composer other people might have a different approach to their work with synth and seq. That's why I like to get a picture for their needs and working methods.

There will be 2 machines. I'm starting with a little desktop box with a price of about 300 Euro which will present the concept of:

- A step is not just a single note, it can be a sequence or arpeggio
-it can be modified by dozens of functions and musical algorithms
-everything is changeable while playing and or recording

This machine is for everyone.
With the help of the users and buyers of this little box I like to fine-tune the concept, enhance the OS and then build the 'real machine' with lots of knobs. This machine would be the size and format of a synclavier
(but without the keyboard) and it would be very expensive.

While in the little box you will have the same funcionality as in the big gear, the usability of the big machine is more convenient, because you get a control for each function, bigger display, also there will be more outputs (midi and CV).

I'm still listening to suggestions.

Frank

Acid Mitch · Post by **Acid Mitch** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:18 am

Meloday wrote:
markoos wrote:a Sound on Sound review of the Sequentix P3 (review below)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun06/a ... ntixp3.htm stated "it allows you to work in ways that wouldn't occur to you in a software environment, as well as with drum machine, real-time record and step-record methodologies. You'll certainly generate results that wouldn't arise in software — the knobs have a lot to do with this."

- and also said this: "It goes much further than its competition in its approach to sequencing... In short, there's no other product, soft or hard, that exactly matches what's on offer here."

And it summarised with this: "If you've any leanings in the direction of knobby analogue sequencing, you're probably already a P3 owner or are saving up to become one. It's a winner." Shame it's dead ... http://www.sequentix.com

Thought I would post this in case there are any features which you might find interesting, Frank123
word on the street is that Colin (P3 dev) is planning on P4. From what i gather, the 4.0 firmware for the P3 incorporates some of the functionality of the P4. Not sure how soon this will come to fruition though.

I have to agree with the SOS review. The P3 is fantastic.
P3 v4 firmware is indeed going to be the basis of the P4 (or whatever Colin decides to call it).The new sequencer is going to be like the P3 but with more memory, bigger cpu and an improved user interface.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:07 am

Frank123 wrote:- A step is not just a single note, it can be a sequence or arpeggio
-it can be modified by dozens of functions and musical algorithms
-everything is changeable while playing and or recording

This sounds more like a complex Max/MSP patch. You sure you don't want to just get a Monome? Actually, this sounds pretty interesting.

Frank123 wrote: With the help of the users and buyers of this little box I like to fine-tune the concept, enhance the OS and then build the 'real machine' with lots of knobs. This machine would be the size and format of a synclavier
(but without the keyboard) and it would be very expensive.

Will it be priced like a Synclavier?

I assume you're referring to the keyboard control panel, not the Mac GUI or the rack tower of processors...

Frank123 · Post by **Frank123** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:12 pm

deastman wrote: Will it be priced like a Synclavier? I assume you're referring to the keyboard control panel, not the Mac GUI or the rack tower of processors...

The Big Machine.
Actually I can't estimate the price for the 'big machine' yet. All i know is that I want to build a comfortable user interface for all the functions. If you want to have individual editing areas for songs, tracks, motives and functions you will need a lot control space.
There might be a market for a high-end hardware sequencer if it can replace the midi part of a software sequencer. For some busy film-composers time is money and if they get quicker results working with this machine they would buy one.

The machine is about managing the complexity of a score:
Speaking of myself and hoping the composing/arranging and producing process is not that different to other composers: You have some motives to invent and develop, repeat the theme, do a bit of variation, modulate to another scale, duplicate with another instrument, lookup for existing fragments and bring in another theme, let them interact and so on...

While you can do a lot of these operations in software, I feel the lack of immediacy. I want to do some improviation on my master keyboard (typically a piano sound) and shift around the originating motives. All of my themes should wait prepared at my fingertips, ready to go through endless variations.

Some people told me their creative output has lessened since they use software. My new trend is: Back to hardware, at least for the commando central of the studio: The Sequencer.

Frank

the return of the step sequencer