Intellectual Property and Synths.

[dbender]

(':!:') The whole point of my first post was that non-lawyers should not go running with scissors and "do it yourself" and draw conclusions for your own situations -- you just don't have the training and knowledge to do that, any more than you should go take your own appendix out after reading some post on some web board by a surgeon generally describing how it's done and how he does it.

You'll find that in the UK, a very great deal of IP related legislation (and indeed other legislation) is made available to businesses et.c. in terms that they can and will understand. This includes, for example providing information on what can and cannot be copyrighted, and what form trademarks take. All of these things are done for the benefit of small businesses, private individuals et.c. so they can find out the relevant facts without needing to consult a laywer just to find out what is and is not permissable. None of it is particularly complex, either.

http://copyrightservice.co.uk/
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/copy.htm

That's a very, very valid point. And here too, there are such things avail for laymen for such simple ABC stuff. Thanks for not jumping on me on misconstruing what I meant -- Sure, you don't need to take your Lamborghini (no, don't have one yet, just being a figuartive trial lawyer to make a point clear) to the expensive dealer to change a tire, as opposed to redoing or tuning the front end suspension -- BUT, if there's some steering problem, the thing is the trained experienced tech will be able to know the difference, like giving yourself cough medicine that relieves a chronic cough you have leaving you to think you've cured the problem, only to have mask the symptoms while the underlying problem persists and eventually kills you -- something a doctor who know would have caught.

[eduardo_b]

eduardo_b --

Thanks for being so cool re: my prior post -- let me reommend that a good place to start would be the US PTO and US Cpyrt Office sites for genereal edifation puposes (remember - no self-medicating)

- uspot.gov
-www.copyright.gov

a lot of ip attys have blogs too

Thanks again, man.

Thanks for your replies. I want to get a larger sense of how it has seemingly come to be that the consumers of IP are being treated increasingly worse, and why it is that it's becoming increasingly difficult for artists to use what's already out there as part of their creative endeavors. That means seeing how the concepts have changed. Not like I have time for this.

Glad you like my sig. It's my statement about life and those who want to divide it into two halves.

Another warm winter in NY? Or are you getting snow now?

[zerocrossing]

So anyway, I totally agree with Vurt,

as much as i appreciate the agreement i havent even posted yet in this thread

Oh man, my bad. Sorry I saw the "New Vurt Album" link and thought it was you. I meant to agree with whyterabbyt.

[vurt]

i imagined it would be that, no worries

[dbender]

eduardo_b --

Thanks for being so cool re: my prior post -- let me reommend that a good place to start would be the US PTO and US Cpyrt Office sites for genereal edifation puposes (remember - no self-medicating)

- uspot.gov
-www.copyright.gov

a lot of ip attys have blogs too

Thanks again, man.

Thanks for your replies. I want to get a larger sense of how it has seemingly come to be that the consumers of IP are being treated increasingly worse, and why it is that it's becoming increasingly difficult for artists to use what's already out there as part of their creative endeavors. That means seeing how the concepts have changed. Not like I have time for this.

Glad you like my sig. It's my statement about life and those who want to divide it into two halves.

Another warm winter in NY? Or are you getting snow now?

Actually, I'm in California, I've been marooned here since moving in '81 to go to law school here......it's been nice here, but I do still miss earth and real pizza, and pastrami and corned beef sandwhiches (they do have some food stuffs here that go by those names, but they are not the same as they were back on earth), and people with a sense of humor and irony. I was seduced by the sirens of titan, and didn't have the strenght of Odysseus to split (hated the cold weather). But, to coin a phrase ('') you can't take the city out of the boy, especially a brooklyn boy!

I totally agree about overreaching in IP -- it's getting worse and worse. Why? One theory is that as the western former "industrialized" countries now manufacture less and less and less, and only makes ideas for things that are now built by virtual or actual slave labor in 3d world colonies -- freudian poli sci slip -- er, countries, the property that's all the rage now is IP, cause that's what's coming out of the mills here now, not really stuff that's made, like cars, and shoes, etc., like it used to be (just ask all the laid off factory workers) -- just ideas. So that's the property that property owners are so obsessed over now. That's my tentative view, as a former history/poli sci/econ major in college before law school.

So, for starters you should check out in that regard --

Electronic Freedom Foundation -- eff.org

[whyterabbyt]

something a doctor who know would have caught.

a doctor should have caught my duodenal ulcer in less than a year. they didnt.
a lawyer shouldn't have made a basic mistake and phrased an agreement such that it nullified a year's worth of negotiations, thus costing me about $15,000, but they did.

i dont see them as being automatically more 'reliable', nor do I think there's a great deal of protection if they're not, because indemnity et.c. dont quite work the same way here.

[dbender]

something a doctor who know would have caught.

a doctor should have caught my duodenal ulcer in less than a year. they didnt.
a lawyer shouldn't have made a basic mistake and phrased an agreement such that it nullified a year's worth of negotiations, thus costing me about $15,000, but they did.

and indemnity et.c. dont quite work the same way here.

You're absolutely correct -- I should have written "should" to be crystal clear instead of "would" -- I was making a use of the word in the sense of how things should be, as in "wd in an ideal world" (which phrase in such a use is sub silentio) -- just a matter of language choice.

So sorry to hear your woes. I can't tell you the pain a doctor's lack of due care caused me about 17 years ago, not catching something pretty obvious (he didn't even seek, so he didn't find).

And, after specializing as a trial lawyer for decades (boy they fly by), I get the f-ups that a few of the non-trial lawyers who only draft contracts cause by using their bloody standard form agreements over and over again without any care or thought to the particular deal at hand. That's how my work as a trial lawyer has informed my work when I'm drafting and structuring agreements -- I've seen how they can go wrong. Kinda like an aircraft designer, who used to be a crash site investigator -- he gets to see what makes 'em ultimately crash, so can design around that in the first place. Really sorry to hear about your $15k comma case. I know just what you mean, and have seen those with a few more zero's at the end too. It gets me so frustrated as a professional who cares.

And if trained pros and slip up like that, imagine how much trouble an untrained, uneducated, inexperienced non pro can do. That's all where I'm coming from here. That's why they forced me to stop playing bass in my h.s. band, and kicked me over back to guitar -- do what you do, not what you don't, they told me, and let those who can can. Peace.

[eduardo_b]

So, for starters you should check out in that regard --

Electronic Freedom Foundation -- eff.org

Great organization. I get their newsletter every week, and write when asked.

You in SoCal or Bay Area (where EFF is)? Like two different worlds in one state.

[dbender]

So, for starters you should check out in that regard --

Electronic Freedom Foundation -- eff.org

Great organization. I get their newsletter every week, and write when asked.

You in SoCal or Bay Area (where EFF is)? Like two different worlds in one state.

Sort of both LA & SF ..... will PM you now befoer going out tonight...

[whyterabbyt]

Heads up : There's a large article on sample clearance in this month's Sound On Sound.

[eduardo_b]

Heads up : There's a large article on sample clearance in this month's Sound On Sound.

March? I have February and don't see it in the TOC. If it's March it's still on its way across the pond.

[whyterabbyt]

Heads up : There's a large article on sample clearance in this month's Sound On Sound.

March? I have February and don't see it in the TOC. If it's March it's still on its way across the pond.

Yes, March.

[aciddose]

as far as the complex envelopes <> prior art thing.. octamed on amiga.. fast tracker on pc. lots of other examples from long, long before there was any such thing as "plugins" on pc.

edit: wasnt octamed.. which tracker is it that i'm thinking of? anyway, point being that they existed in the same format on a gui around 1990.