how chords are voiced on guitar!!

[chardin]

@chardin
just after i posted my reply i saw your reply. thanks it is also useful.. just a question is it really the ultimate chart n contains all the voicings possible or are there other possibilities that i can discover..

I doubt that chart has every possible voicing. I heard a jazz guitarist once say that if you don't know at least 8 different ways to voice an F7, you need to get to work. He then proceeded to show 15 different F7 voicings. No altered tones or extensions; just F, A, C, and Eb.

Back to your request. Go to http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/g ... ex_db.html You can hear and download MIDI for a _bunch_ of different voicings.

[ughnonumus]

i want to know what type of chord voicings are possible on a guitar so that i can construct guitar chordings on a sequencer that can be practically played by a guitarist..
thanks

A lot of what is possible depends on the guitarist. If the player is used to playing complex chords, then it's quite possible that they can play structures that are not common.

Might it be best to allow the guitarist(s) to interpret what your offerings?

ugh

[tapper mike]

Pick up guitar tab editor.

It's free. does a better job of transcribing positions then Guitar Pro (which I love)

There are tons of *.ptb files.
And it imports midi (no drums)
Many come with chord diagrams. over the arrangemet
The note by note content is displayed in tab and notation.

One thing to note about basic chord structure and inversions.
Because the chord is strummed The shape displayed in the chord diagram
Is not always played all the way thru. Thus causing inversions simply buy omitting not the left fingering but by the stroke of the pick, thumb etc.

[jancivil]

well, if one learns how it actually works one is that much more on top of one's game.

I won't advocate shortcuts by using programs to sort it for you, not at all.

this is why music sounds such crap, a lot of it, now. understanding how it works becomes more and more a lost art.

[tapper mike]

AT sometime in your musical experience you read a book or magazine
You see the output of a device (printing press) which tries to relay the concept of music. Sure you could stumble around in the dark with an untuned gutitar with no advice or instruction from anyone anywhere and you may actually encounter standard tuning someday. and then maybe after finally stumbling on a tuning method you can train your ear to hear a note or to and recognize the note on your instrument.

On the other hand you can take what the world offers and learn from it. Not only as a matter of route but also as a springboard for interpertation.

Or maybe you can get a boat and travel the mississippi, see some old blues guy playing thier axe in the distance and try to cop the sound by looking and playing.

[JPRmusic]

I came across a video from Guitar College that explains the "Caged" guitar system. A basic system to play several different chord inversions on the guitar. It can help spread out things sonically, even if you're covering a part with a keyboard.

http://www.ccli.com/usa/Community/CCLIT ... 23658c267b

If this link doesn't work directly go to http://www.ccli.com/usa/Community/CCLITV
and under the channels sections is the caged guitar system.

[tubiux]

By using simple math you come to the conclusion that there are 4 circular permutations (or inversions as we say in music) of a 4 note chord. Every inversion can be voiced in 6 different ways (not counting octave displacement). This makes 24 possible voicings in total for any 4 note chord. As a guitarist a few of these voicings will be unplayable while others will be easy. Drop 2 and drop 3 chords are necessary to know on at least two string sets each ie 1234 & 2345 and 1235 & 2346. Take an F7 chord and learn all inversions on these two voicing types and you'll have 16 voicings for this chord.

My undergrad. thesis was on this subject. I'm currently finishing up a book about it (as if we really need yet another book about scales and chords) where I go into greater detail explaining how it all works. I'm hoping some might find it useful.

[jancivil]

AT sometime in your musical experience you read a book or magazine
You see the output of a device (printing press) which tries to relay the concept of music. Sure you could stumble around in the dark with an untuned gutitar with no advice or instruction from anyone anywhere and you may actually encounter standard tuning someday. and then maybe after finally stumbling on a tuning method you can train your ear to hear a note or to and recognize the note on your instrument.

or you could ask someone, person to person. believe or not, there are VAST schools of music eg: either area of Indian 'classical' music, where the concepts are orally transmitted, always were, there are not textbooks involved, and no one needs use visual aids to learn it. (no shortcuts, oh my god!!?!) or has to plug something into an application to convey it to the next guy.

Or maybe you can get a boat and travel the mississippi, see some old blues guy playing thier axe in the distance and try to cop the sound by looking and playing.

or, you could even get off the boat and immerse yourself in what's happening as if you live there, and do that for a lifetime, and really absorb it on the for-real side.

[dacaumodo]

try nutchords. It can be downloaded from some places.

[tapper mike]

are orally transmitted

Funny I see the old beatles video's and I see the ravi shanka playing no one is wearing blindfolds. Looks to me like he first playing then singing.

Also they had this thing during the turn of the previous century.
Which revolutionized how people learned to play the piano.
People could listen. See the music and see the fingering.

[ughnonumus]

or you could ask someone, person to person. believe or not, there are VAST schools of music eg: either area of Indian 'classical' music, where the concepts are orally transmitted, always were, there are not textbooks involved, and no one needs use visual aids to learn it. (no shortcuts, oh my god!!?!) or has to plug something into an application to convey it to the next guy.

The process of learning new material is, of course, an extension of the methodology that was employed to play the instrument. Some can read music; some can only play by ear. There are advantages and disadvantages to each method. I know.

Of course, there's the hybrid approach that just wants a reminder of what chords/lyrics to present...the rest is interpretation through feelings.

BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a market for transcribed Indian classical music, even in new India (not to be confused with 'classic' India), which has absorbed the streams of materialism- just like any other modern nation.

[nuffink]

well, if one learns how it actually works one is that much more on top of one's game.

I won't advocate shortcuts by using programs to sort it for you, not at all.

this is why music sounds such crap, a lot of it, now. understanding how it works becomes more and more a lost art.

I know. Remember the old days when the first thing they'd do at the conservatoire was cut off the tips of your fingers? You only really get a feel for a subject when the first thing you have to do is grow back parts of your body.

Kids today don't know they're born. No wonder all modern music's rubbish.

[Rangtangtang]

try nutchords. It can be downloaded from some places.

That is a good one.

What about chord scales?

[jancivil]

are orally transmitted

Funny I see the old beatles video's and I see the ravi shanka playing no one is wearing blindfolds. Looks to me like he first playing then singing.

Also they had this thing during the turn of the previous century.
Which revolutionized how people learned to play the piano.
People could listen. See the music and see the fingering.

If the process of learning music, which is after all an aural art, involves the hearing organ, I think that can be seen as the crucial methodology. You hear it. You might want to use this or that tool to transmit what you heard, an instrument, a pen, a recording device. These are secondary considerations. What I am talking about is, per the topic, this thread, is putting those secondary considerations in front of the real thing, is a corrupting process.

If you have to use your other organs at the expense of concentration of the crucial one, you might lose something in the 'bargain'. If you aren't 'playing by ear', you're doing something else than music, in my view. It's not a hard argument to follow.

Example Given: If you're playing by fingerings, it's going to sound like you've rehearsed some patterns.

Ravi? He comes from a school where you lived with your teacher, you served him; you were always ready for the lesson which he transmitted to you, person-to-person, according to his inspiration. And he expected you, as a devotee, to get it, that was your chance, right then! because you are not distracted by another consideration. If you were blind, you'd still get it, if you were deaf, you wouldn't be there.

Whence 'blindfolds'? What an absurd remark. Are you confounding the idea of seeing, with that of having a machine perform your analysis of what you're looking at?

What's your actual argument about.