No Sound from some Rhino Presets.

[Improv]

I am getting a random problem with Rhino 1.07 presets. Sometimes when I choose a preset, it produces no sound. Next time I load Rhino, that same preset works.

The problem happens in the factory bank, dx7 bank, poly bank and mono bank.

Also happens in both Chainer and Cubase SL 1.06.

None of my other VSTi's have ever given me this random silence when a preset is chosen.

I'm using an Athlon 1600, 768mb ram, 80 Mb Ultra DMA 133 hard drives.

Any ideas?

[Big Tick]

Damn. No idea... I'll release 1.08 very soon, maybe it'll fix it...
'Tick

[Improv]

Damn. No idea... I'll release 1.08 very soon, maybe it'll fix it...
'Tick

Thanks, worth a try. Random bugs are the worst, you can't get a set of reproduceable circumstances to try
and fix it.

Just a guess: maybe something happens if you change too quickly from one patch to another?

[Rabid]

I've also had this, most commonly happening just after changing banks. I have to close Rhino and open it again. It is not frequent enough for me to find a pattern. In Sonar II here.

Robert

[Improv]

I am getting a random problem with Rhino 1.07 presets. Sometimes when I choose a preset, it produces no sound. Next time I load Rhino, that same preset works.

The problem happens in the factory bank, dx7 bank, poly bank and mono bank.

Also happens in both Chainer and Cubase SL 1.06.

None of my other VSTi's have ever given me this random silence when a preset is chosen.

I'm using an Athlon 1600, 768mb ram, 80 Mb Ultra DMA 133 hard drives.

Any ideas?

May have jsut solved the problem. I'm using an M Audio 2496 card and noticed in the Control Panel that the DMA Bufer Size was set to 64 from some experimenting that I was doing. Changed the buffer back to my normal 512, rebooted for good measure and all sounds now work.

[pough]

Now I'm getting this problem. Version 1.08. I think it's a corrupt patch bank, but I'm going to test by reinstalling Rhino. So far I've only had the problem with the default bank and I can't find it to download. I'm going to save a copy of the botched bank (in case that's the problem and you want to be able to see what went wrong with it) and do a fresh install...

[pough]

A resinstall has done the trick. Whether it's a corrupt bank or the program file was corrupt, I have no idea. I wish the default bank was available for download so I could have tested that. Or, if it IS available but I didn't find it, I wish I had found it.

EDIT: and now, because I am so f**king smart, I have buggered it up again. Just for fun, I backup up the 'good' version of the bank and copied the bad one into the presets directory. Rhino stopped playing the bad patches. Then I copied the good one back. It still is buggered. And Mr Smart Guy (that's me) forgot that this was all on the same drive so it MOVED the file, not copied it. Goddamn. Now I have to reinstall again. And I don't even know if the ONE file I have left will even help you at all!

[Improv]

Now I'm getting this problem. Version 1.08. I think it's a corrupt patch bank, but I'm going to test by reinstalling Rhino. So far I've only had the problem with the default bank and I can't find it to download. I'm going to save a copy of the botched bank (in case that's the problem and you want to be able to see what went wrong with it) and do a fresh install...

I'm still getting the problem as well. I download a new copy of the bank and reload. It usually works. What bugs me more than anything is that it seems to be a random problem.

[Big Tick]

Well, first of all, you can get the factory bank here:
http://www.kvr-vst.com/~bigtick/RhinoFactoryPresets.zip

Next time it happens, before reinstalling everything, I'd try to simply delete the tmp.sav file in the Rhino install folder.

'Tick

[pough]

Well, first of all, you can get the factory bank here:
http://www.kvr-vst.com/~bigtick/RhinoFactoryPresets.zip

That's an odd place for the Rhino factory presets to be...

Next time it happens, before reinstalling everything, I'd try to simply delete the tmp.sav file in the Rhino install folder.

I'll do that! Thanks, 'Tick.

[pough]

It looks like it's the new Tim Conrardy bank that messes up the factory preset bank. And just deleting the tmp.sav files fixes things up.

BTW, does that tconrardy bank seem really loud to anyone else?

[Improv]

It looks like it's the new Tim Conrardy bank that messes up the factory preset bank. And just deleting the tmp.sav files fixes things up.

BTW, does that tconrardy bank seem really loud to anyone else?

No, actually, the default banks in Rhino seemed a bit low to me and I reset them up a couple of notches:
about from about 20 to 35-40 depending on the preset. It brings out the second line subtleties.

[pough]

Hmm... I just did a test in Tracktion and a number of the Tim Conrardy patches, at their normal volume, jump right up into the red and start to clip. Try 'Meta; Andriods' or 'MicrotonalAlgos1.'

[Improv]

Hmm... I just did a test in Tracktion and a number of the Tim Conrardy patches, at their normal volume, jump right up into the red and start to clip. Try 'Meta; Andriods' or 'MicrotonalAlgos1.'

I was talking generally. Of course you have to use some common sense, taste and discretion. While there are indeed some patches in all the Rhino banks that go into the red while sustaining and evolving, there are also several that are too quiet when starting.

You could either boost the attack, increase the velocity, or increase the main level as much as possible, backing off on the main level if the patch clips.

Big Tick and Daniel were most likely being deliberately cautious and set levels a bit on the conservative side. As developers, I can see why they would do that as we can always adjust to taste!

[pough]

you have to use some common sense

Me!?

taste

Ha!

and discretion.

Never!

I was thinking that maybe Tim's host that he used to make the patches has a lower overall level than Tracktion. I know that the Dash plugs all have three global volume settings to match up better with different hosts.