KVR Audio

genealex · Post by **genealex** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:29 pm

geroyannis wrote:
genealex wrote:About the hiss, I wonder if it's just normal, since the 5th position (using bridge pickup only) is known for the hiss issues in single coiled guitars, so after the vst insert it just gets amplified. (I personally never use the 5th position, and maybe I could confuse the hiss issue with the vst itself)
Just a thought...
Rene said the pickup was a humbucker.

Oh, I didn't noticed that. Nevermind then, sorry.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:58 pm

I agree with jens that it does have some usable sounds if you get rid of the hiss, but it fails (imo anyhow) to capture the body of an acoustic sound. It sounds very clean and does come close but perhaps it actually is too clean to get the acoustic vibe. If I didn't have an acoustic, the vst didn't have the hiss, I could see myself excited about a pluggin that sounds like this. I mean a lot can be done to tweak the sound anyhow. (FWIW I listened to the second clip)

The biggest problem is though that Rene states the beta will expire and testers will get it free

I'm sorry Rene, I've tried to communicate with you and you ignore me...you made the drum position thing which was pretty cool...where is it now? You made the AVOX clone which was pretty good...where is it now? The compressor came out and you got criticized and it disappeared...where is it now? I'm not going to ask about the original amp sim anymore...just the fact that you say some people have it, but as I recall you also said in the past it was for those who you think deserved it says it all. I go to get this sample for your latest endeavor and you still don't have your own web site. Yet you actually intend to charge for a pluggin? I think you at least need to keep the free drum thing out there for a minimum of 6 months and get a real site before you sell anything...you come, you go, you ignore people, you have no way to communicate with you and you think people should give you money? Tell me Rene, if the shoes were turned would you do business with someone with your history?

I want to be nice because I really do want to remain friends with you, but as that ship seems to have sailed anyhow that's probably unlikely (though the door is open on my end) and I want to see you succeed. But I'm going to be brutally honest, imo you should be offering this pluggin free...anything else imo is unreasonable an I think an * should be put next to all your pluggins you intend to sell stating that you have yet to prove yourself as a trustworthy developer, the drum thing should be readily available as should duox (or whatever you called it), you should also finish the compressor and at bare minimum you should apologize and admit your mistakes on the amp sim.

Until you prove yourself I hope there will always be someone there to make any and all potential customers aware that purchasing from you may be very risky.

I hope you understand this is not personal, but no other business operates as you and you have yet to earn the respect back you've lost as a businessman. I also hope you understand that when others doubt you it's not because we dont like you, I know I like you as the person I know online. But my friend I love KvR and we need to insure it maintains it's level of integrity that other developers have created and maintained here. Best of luck to you

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:51 pm

Listening to the demo I think this is an interesting and rather original plug.

And while its not exactly an acoustic guitar, it does have some flavors of it. And even if it was not in the end an superealistic acoustic guitar, it could still be cool imho.(A bit Like Milestones wich is not a real trumpet but so cool to play with)

Also I wonder what would come out of the box if for example a synth vsti was fed to the input

(though the interest of transforming electric to acoustic guitar is not immediatly appealing to me, but might be of a great interest for guitarists, maybe this plug's usage could be widthened a bit ... ?)

Just a thought.

LtZ

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:53 pm

http://www.kvraudio.com/developer_challenge_2006.php
It was never moved...

When there is a shop with items,
than there is a business.
Not befor.

But I guess its not 'serious business' to give things away for free.
Your right, I change that soon.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:01 am

Lotuzia wrote:Listening to the demo I think this is an interesting and rather original plug.

Also I wonder what would come out of the box if for example a synth vsti was fed to the input
LtZ

I would not try that, you might blow your tweeters or ears!

Thanks, I will add the warning,
"FOR electric GUITAR only !!!"

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:02 am

hink, i thought the same things. but then i thought, what the heck, he can do whatever he can get away with. you probably thought that too.

btw, i'm one of the fortunate to have received a free copy of duosx. rene, the parameters are fine. could they have more range and we more control over them?

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:05 am

I do wish Rene would sell those perfectly good doublers of his. I bug him about this regularily. It is, of course, his choice.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:09 am

Midiworks wrote:http://www.kvraudio.com/developer_challenge_2006.php
It was never moved...

When there is a shop with items,
than there is a business.
Not befor.

But I guess its not 'serious business' to give things away for free.
Your right, I change that soon.

...maybe changing your sig to the link for the drum mic positioner would help your cause more than the whole amp sim has been updated thing. Whether you have a product it would still benefit you imo to have a web page that could be used to keep the public informed. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, but it would help to destroy the amp sim fiasco. Remember, we all make mistakes but demonstrating that you've learned from your mistakes goes a long way imo.

Anyhow I hope you stick to your guns on this one, I think a good electric>acoustic vst is a fantastic idea and it seems you've got a good jump on it.

fwiw I wish you'd answer the pm I sent you when you showed your studio pic a couple months ago

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:09 am

androidlove wrote:hink, i thought the same things. but then i thought, what the heck, he can do whatever he can get away with. you probably thought that too.

btw, i'm one of the fortunate to have received a free copy of duosx. rene, the parameters are fine. could they have more range and we more control over them?

Its done already.
You will get the free upgrade then.

(Dam, I am a bad businessman again !)

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:22 am

oh that's better...mock me

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:36 am

Midiworks wrote:Please try this:
http://www.mediafire.com/?viogzfc4u1a

Any better ?

Thanks and sorry for the hiss !

Rene, as is everyone else is saying it is pretty hissy. I did not hear that in earlier samples.

And listening to the clean piezo, I don't hear the hiss either, not even a nuance of it.

I am not sure where this added hiss is coming from...I am guessing from the amp sim engine.

Good sound nonetheless

Cyrosis · Post by **Cyrosis** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:02 am

A3ntar wrote:
Midiworks wrote:Please try this:
http://www.mediafire.com/?viogzfc4u1a

Any better ?

Thanks and sorry for the hiss !
Rene, as is everyone else is saying it is pretty hissy. I did not hear that in earlier samples.

And listening to the clean piezo, I don't hear the hiss either, not even a nuance of it.

I am not sure where this added hiss is coming from...I am guessing from the amp sim engine.

Good sound nonetheless

The hiss is in the source for sure, I just made this using the dry guitar.

This is just some EQ and reverb, and the hiss is very prominent, it just takes a huge boost in the highs to bring it out.

Guitar

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:14 am

Cyrosis wrote:
A3ntar wrote:
Midiworks wrote:Please try this:
http://www.mediafire.com/?viogzfc4u1a

Any better ?

Thanks and sorry for the hiss !
Rene, as is everyone else is saying it is pretty hissy. I did not hear that in earlier samples.

And listening to the clean piezo, I don't hear the hiss either, not even a nuance of it.

I am not sure where this added hiss is coming from...I am guessing from the amp sim engine.

Good sound nonetheless
The hiss is in the source for sure, I just made this using the dry guitar.

This is just some EQ and reverb, and the hiss is very prominent, it just takes a huge boost in the highs to bring it out.

Guitar

a gate at the beginning of the chain might be a good idea for the vst, I'm sure he could add a gate in his sleep

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:39 am

Hink wrote: a gate at the beginning of the chain might be a good idea for the vst, I'm sure he could add a gate in his sleep

Yes, but I dont like gates for a problem like this.
Jens made a sugestion that might work,
but right after the input.

Cyrosis wrote:The hiss is in the source for sure, I just made this using the dry guitar.

This is just some EQ and reverb, and the hiss is very prominent, it just takes a huge boost in the highs to bring it out.

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Thanks for that finding Cyrosis !

Midiworks wrote:
Lotuzia wrote:Listening to the demo I think this is an interesting and rather original plug.

Also I wonder what would come out of the box if for example a synth vsti was fed to the input
LtZ
I would not try that, you might blow your tweeters or ears!

Thanks, I will add the warning,
"FOR electric GUITAR only !!!"

Oh, but sounds great on electric bass !!!
(electric bass on the soundcard input)

Hovmod · Post by **Hovmod** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:45 am

Hm. Here's something more or less in the same vein, played on an acoustic. This is captured with a Fishman single-coil soundhole pickup, recorded with 100% dry and default settings, and a tad of reverb added (if Rene can, I can).

The hiss in THIS recording is due to noise in my sound card's shitty preamp, but as you can hear it's a totally different feel. Also, the piece I play is quite dark and muffled in the first place, partly because I play with nail-bitten fingers and partly because it's played mostly on the three lower strings. (and Simon, there aren't any bends..?)

So add this to the debate as some sort of benchmark.

It's the first take, so there are oodles of mistakes, just like in the first one - it is a casual improv, after all. And Rene, I wasn't aware that you were going to post this in public. I'd have appreciated a request, which I'd probably have refused. I like to hide my mistakes, not highlight them... But now that it's out there, I would appreciate if this discussion got back on the electric/acoustic/VST trail...

Rene2

Acoustic guitar modeler VST First screenshot